NPHC Traditions and Practices that annoy you

[DSTCHAOS]

Is it my fault that this thread has taken the turn that it has taken?

I was just watching "Gangland" on The History Channel. They showed the gangs of New York with their handsigns and colors. I thought to myself "they look like BGLO members. There go some Iotas, Krappas, and Sigmas....."

[Senusret I]

I blame the Masons.

No, really.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Let me clarify. My reference to gang mentality was not an absolute as the cause of hazing. In the positions I have had in Delta--nationally, regionally, collegiate advisor, hazing investigator, etc.--I fully understand hazing as it is today. And hazing today is really no different than hazing of yesteryear. In fact it is the yesteryears' going ons that allowed our groups to specifically define what is hazing in our codes of conduct.

And when MIP'd people say on public message boards that they have been through it..., all I can do is shake my head.

And let me just clarify that by "newer heads" I just mean those that are younger than the more seasoned members like yourself. I was initiated back in '93 when MIP was pretty much just a title and in reality not many took it seriously. Today my outlook on things is completely different but then I am no longer an undergrad.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I was initiated back in '93 when MIP was pretty much just a title and in reality not many took it seriously.

Interesting. But I don't see how that gives the "newer heads" a better perspective on today's hazing. Especially since it is the same old, same old crazy stuff. The difference, I think, is that states now have laws against it and so it is reported in the media more. Oh and the internet.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Is it my fault that this thread has taken the turn that it has taken?

Yep

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I blame the Masons.

No, really.

Ditto.

The Discovery Channel (I think?) showed an expose` on Masonry in honor of the new National Treasure release. They are some shady mofos (in a nice way ).

Also, the Latin Kings (that I saw on The History Channel last night) wore black and gold. So after first glance they no longer looked like Iotas. They looked like Alphas. With the black and gold Airforce Ones and all. And these fools had the "future XYZ" 'nalia and training for their children, too.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Interesting. But I don't see how that gives the "newer heads" a better perspective on today's hazing. Especially since it is the same old, same old crazy stuff. The difference, I think, is that states now have laws against it and so it is reported in the media more. Oh and the internet.

Well I think the newer heads (not new, not seasoned) are in a unique position because they are closer in age to the undergrads but not so close that they don't understand the business side of the sorority and how hazing impacts it. Some undergrads just don't get it no matter how much you preach to them because they are not mature enough yet and they are passionate and emotional about how they feel. But in my experience, it's the newer heads that are able to reach them the most. Many of them understand that hazing and pledging are two different things in the undergrad's mind and that what many of them want is a process that they can be proud of...that they have contributed their ideas to. Until their ideas are considered, change is slow coming although I do think that the sororities have a fighting chance because I never thought that things would change as much as they have. Hazing among the fraternities, on the other hand, is a whole different beast.

[Low C Sharp]

Violence at parties can be a problem even when they are held on campus, a college ID is required, and there's a cover charge (this story is not NPHC, but a step-show after-party hosted by an organization that has its act together):

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=520381

I honestly don't know what more can be done, except to restrict party attendance to members of your own campus, which defeats the purpose of finding fellowship with students at nearby colleges.
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ROLL BLUNTS

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I honestly don't know what more can be done, except to restrict party attendance to members of your own campus, which defeats the purpose of finding fellowship with students at nearby colleges.

And defeats the purpose of a fundraiser. My university didn't allow students to be charged.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Well I think the newer heads (not new, not seasoned) are in a unique position because they are closer in age to the undergrads but not so close that they don't understand the business side of the sorority and how hazing impacts it. Some undergrads just don't get it no matter how much you preach to them because they are not mature enough yet and they are passionate and emotional about how they feel. But in my experience, it's the newer heads that are able to reach them the most. Many of them understand that hazing and pledging are two different things in the undergrad's mind and that what many of them want is a process that they can be proud of...that they have contributed their ideas to. Until their ideas are considered, change is slow coming although I do think that the sororities have a fighting chance because I never thought that things would change as much as they have. Hazing among the fraternities, on the other hand, is a whole different beast.

Okay, gotcha. But on the flip side they can do more damage if they are gypsy moths themselves.

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Okay, gotcha. But on the flip side they can do more damage if they are gypsy moths themselves.

if a gypsy moth means that there are newheads (and some oldheads) that are part of the alumnae chapters of sororities that know about or participate in hazing at the undergrad level but fake the funk when at their own chapter meetings or events, then yes it happens quite often...and this helps keep the pledging/hazing mentality alive...there are a lot of grown 30+ year old women who believe that MIP is not enough and will if not take part in, turn their heads to whats happening in undergrad chapters but cry foul when it blows up...

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

LOLZ. Unless you're talking Chicago, the Midwest is not exactly known for gangs.

...............Really, I beg to differ.

[Phrozen1ne]

When, at stepshows, NPHC orgs give info about their org before they go on and STUMBLE AND MESS UP info like founders and the year founded. Plus reading it off a piece of paper. Then they try to chalk it up to being nervous. If you were that nervous maybe should let someone else do it.

[DSTCHAOS]

We never got off topic.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I'm not a fan of step shows but I love shows where you get points deducted for trying to sex the crowd. If you aren't going to step, do not enter into a step show competition. Save your sex and your offensive remarks about other frats for your bedtime routine.

Which brings me to my biggest pet peeve (sorry genetlemen): Why aren't fraternities expected to show respect and class at all times? At one of the last greek parties I went to, two frats were getting into it and one of their chants contained the line "I f****ed your b****." I seemed to be the only one surprised and disturbed. At "fun" functions I almost always hear cursing and misogyny from fraternity members while wearing para and clearly representing their organizations, even in the presence of older members. I know that if I had constantly heard NPHC women collectively yelling things like "XYZ, f*** you trick a** b****es," at each other, I wouldn't have considered joining for a second.

Now perhaps you've seen sorority women acting classless, there's no need to try to prove that it happens. But when it happens, it is a scandal and you talk about them, no? When men do it it seems expected. I don't understand how no one sees a disconnect between upholding certain ideals and behaving in front of crowds like you would never behave in front of your mother.