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11-14-2006, 09:01 PM
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TSteven...I don't really think Texas has much of a shot anymore.
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I agree. But it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
For Texas to make it back they would need Southern California, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Florida and Rutgers all to go down to defeat at least once more. Those teams would then be on a down swing with two or more losses each. On the other hand, Texas would have wins against Texas A&M in the regular season and then Nebraska in the Big XII Championship. The sports writers might view the Horns on an upswing.
Bottom line is that Southern California controls its own destiny. If USC wins out, the sports writers and computer polls will most likely end up ranking USC number two.
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11-14-2006, 09:12 PM
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Two things regarding National Merit Scholars at Oklahoma:
"Public" university.
"Per Capita"
http://go2.ou.edu/national_scholars/
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11-15-2006, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kstar
Many of the tribes around here prefer the term Native American. They use it on their literature.
My friends and family that have tribal affiliations use the term Native American. OK even uses the term in their tourism literature.
Most Native Americans that I know take great offense to being called an "Indian," and the few Indians I know also don't like the term being used to refer to Native Americans.
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Well, all my family and friends with tribal affiliations call themselves "Indians" or "Natives" - not Native Americans. Mostly because they were here first, so they are not native to America - they are native to this land (their land). And the literature? If you're trying to get in some tourism dollars, you'll put whatever you think gets people interested.
And Indians from India?! They don't even speak English so why would they care about an English word being used in America? And if you are referring to immigrants, well that's just dumb. It's an English term for the first peoples in this land, and it was used long before people from India started coming here I'm sure.
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11-15-2006, 09:52 AM
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Most Native Americans that I know take great offense to being called an "Indian," and the few Indians I know also don't like the term being used to refer to Native Americans.
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And tribal members that I know use "Indian," "American Indian" or perhaps, when speaking of all American Indians as a group, "native" or "indigenous people" -- or they get specific and say "Cherokee" or the like. So this proves . . . ?
BTW, been to the National Museum of the American Indian lately?
When in doubt, one can always consult that omniscient source, The Wiki:
The term Native American was originally introduced in the United States by anthropologists as a more accurate term for the indigenous people of the Americas, as distinguished from the people of India. Because of the widespread acceptance of this newer term in and outside of academic circles, some people believe that Indians was outdated or offensive. People from India (and their descendants) who are citizens of the United States are known as Indian Americans.
However, some American Indians have misgivings about the term Native American. Russell Means, a famous American Indian activist, opposes the term Native American because he believes it was imposed by the government without the consent of American Indians. Furthermore, some American Indians question the term Native American because, they argue, it serves to ease the conscience of "white America" with regard to past injustices done to American Indians by effectively eliminating "Indians" from the present. Still others (both Indians and non-Indians) argue that Native American is problematic because "native of" literally means "born in," so any person born in the Americas could be considered "native". However, very often the compound "Native American" will be capitalized in order to differentiate this intended meaning from others. Likewise, "native" (small 'n') can be further qualified by formulations such as "native-born" when the intended meaning is only to indicate place of birth or origin.
A 1996 survey revealed that more American Indians in the United States still preferred American Indian to Native American. Nonetheless, most American Indians are comfortable with Indian, American Indian, and Native American, and the terms are now used interchangeably. The continued usage of the traditional term is reflected in the name chosen for the National Museum of the American Indian, which opened in 2004 in Washington, D.C..
Recently, the U.S. Census introduced the "Asian Indian" category to more accurately sample the Indian American population.
Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse.
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11-15-2006, 10:56 AM
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Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse.
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ha ha ha ha ha
Sorry, but that was funny!
Thanks for the info (as always), MysticCat!
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11-15-2006, 11:00 AM
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Guys, this is a college football thread. I don't see how the potential offensiveness of this term has much to do with anything in this thread unless you want to talk about the NCAA's stance on indian/native american mascots which is ridiculous. A local D-II school just played their last game as the "Redmen" which they had been called for 81 years. The funny thing is that the school is in the same town as the Cherokee Nation's capitol, and it was the NCAA, not the Cherokee nation which forced/asked for this change.
The unfortunate Native American mascots out of football movement began in earnest in Oklahoma as they did away with the "Little Red" mascot. Little Red was usually a native American/indian student who dressed up in full indian regalia and performed a lot of native american/indian dances and such to cheer on the football team -- a pretty cool tradition IMHO, a lot better than the wagon. My brother used to date the daughter of a former Little Red, and my father was good friends with another in law school.
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11-15-2006, 12:32 PM
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Guys, this is a college football thread.
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Aww c'mon. Just a little highjack, please?
Seriously, I doubt it would have taken this turn if one poster hadn't felt the need to pontificate: They aren't called INDIANS you moron, Indians are from India, Native Americans are the indigenous people of North America. Sorry, but that kind of self-righteousness just can't go ignored.
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I don't see how the potential offensiveness of this term has much to do with anything in this thread unless you want to talk about the NCAA's stance on indian/native american mascots which is ridiculous.
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Completely agree on the NCAA's forced political correctness.
Just one more detour, and then I'll stop, I promise:
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Also, ya'll has an apostrophe.
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Yes, it does, and it goes before the a, not after it.
Okay, I feel better -- back to football.
I'll be interested to see what Butch Davis will do at Carolina.
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11-17-2006, 01:55 PM
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Just wanted to say...
GO BLUE!!!!!!
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11-17-2006, 03:30 PM
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Just wanted to say...
GO BLUE!!!!!!

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Oh we don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan, oh we don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan, we're from OHIO.
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11-17-2006, 03:43 PM
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Rest In Peace, Bo. You will be sorely missed by your fans. You were the best. Watch over our guys tomorrow and help lead them to victory. We love you.
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11-17-2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AGDee
Rest In Peace, Bo. You will be sorely missed by your fans. You were the best. Watch over our guys tomorrow and help lead them to victory. We love you.
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I saw that. How sad he died the eve of the big game.
Hopefully he'll lead them to victory tomorrow.
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11-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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Bo- rest in peace. You helped make this rivalry fun. However I still hope Fichigan loses. I know you and Woody will be watching this game together tomorrow!
GO BUCKS!
And congratulations to Ohio University for being the East Division Champions! Good luck in the Conference Championship game!
Go Bobcats!
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11-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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I saw that. How sad he died the eve of the big game.
Hopefully he'll lead them to victory tomorrow.
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There are actually people in my office who were crying. They were at U-Mich during Bo's reign. We have decided that, if you see a field goal kick that doesn't look quite straight enough or strong enough, but it suddenly makes it through the posts, we'll know Bo is there.
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11-17-2006, 03:56 PM
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There are actually people in my office who were crying. They were at U-Mich during Bo's reign. We have decided that, if you see a field goal kick that doesn't look quite straight enough or strong enough, but it suddenly makes it through the posts, we'll know Bo is there.
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ANd if you see one that doesn't look quite straight then suddenly starts to make it and then doesn't that's because Woody has tackled Bo to stop him from helping.
I actually remember Bo speaking at an event in Ohio shortly after Woody died. They really were good friends-- it's too bad the current coaches don't have that kind of relationship. Like I said before- it made the rivalry fun.
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11-17-2006, 04:48 PM
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They really were good friends-- it's too bad the current coaches don't have that kind of relationship. Like I said before- it made the rivalry fun.
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That it did.
Going to be an emotional day in The Horseshoe tomorrow.
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