Cash or Card

[aloving1]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by darling1
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Originally posted by aloving1
I don't know what part of Virginia you live in but I have seen and known many drug dealers albeit petty ones that look quite raggedy. The fact that this thread as moved in the direction that it has is very appropriate. But perhaps you have been fortunate enough to not have to deal with institutionalized racism.

I go to school in VA and live in MD for clarification. If you re-read my post I clearly stated, "Moreover, I've never seen a drug dealer look raggedy". It's all in what is raggedy to you. Raggedy to you may mean baggy jeans and an oversized t-shirt, but that outfit may be Sean John. I'm just saying, Aloving1 finds it hard to believe that a bumb/drug dealer walked into a LV store with crumpled bills totaling $2,100 and wasn't dressed to the "T". The story doesn't seem straight to ME. I didn't say darling1 was confused or never saw a raggedy drug dealer. Don't know you or what you have seen.

Someone drops parts to a story, people assume or make judgments based on those parts and gets jumped on because they don't "keep up with the Joneses". Then out of the blue new parts to the story come up to better prove an alternative point and in turn people are being responded to inappropriately.

There's no problem with a thread moving in another direction, however don't beat around the bush; start off with what you really want to say.

For example: I was in a LV store and a black, raggedy looking drug dealer-I think he was-walked in and was rummaging through his pockets looking for $2,100 in crumpled bills to pay for his special shipment from France. Now I don't know about you but I try to keep up with the Joneses cause I care about what white people think about me in today's society. How do you GC posters feel?


But perhaps you have been fortunate enough to not have to deal with institutionalized racism.

As you stated you don't know where I live or who I am for that matter. I never said I disagree with where the story has gone, I just didn't like the means that was used to get there and the jabs made to prove a point. Sounds like some personal issues are going on. But that's just MY interpretation.

[Steeltrap]

One goes away for a bit and sees that this thread has exploded.

You know, I see merit in my Soror's and Poplife's views on this issue. I guess that I'm being a squishy, fence-sitting, scale-balancing Libra here, but I think it is possible to have good functional etiquette w/o losing your sense of self.

I feel that I've been followed on occasion in retail stores. If I ever catch someone, however, I do put them on a bit of blast. Remind them that I have money and plastic.

[Poplife]

Originally posted by aloving1
It's all in what is raggedy to you. Raggedy to you may mean baggy jeans and an oversized t-shirt, but that outfit may be Sean John.

Raggedy is raggedy. Just because your clothes are designer doesn't mean they look nice. The word is pretty straight forward.

I'm just saying, Aloving1 finds it hard to believe that a bumb/drug dealer walked into a LV store with crumpled bills totaling $2,100 and wasn't dressed to the "T". The story doesn't seem straight to ME.

Well, I'm sorry if you find it hard to believe. I don't say this to be nasty, but how often do you go to upscale retails places? I've seen people in Tiffany's buying a 2ctw diamond ring in sweat pants. Shoot, I went to the LV boutique on 5th Ave yesterday and people were wearing everything from evening gowns to old tennis shoes and T-shirts. Now if you're New Money then maybe you get dressed up to go to Gucci or LV, but people that have always had money (or just don't care) tend to wear whatever.

Someone drops parts to a story, people assume or make judgments based on those parts and gets jumped on because they don't "keep up with the Joneses". Then out of the blue new parts to the story come up to better prove an alternative point and in turn people are being responded to inappropriately.

I see what you are attempting to imply. I was mad and posted in a furry without specifics. I calm down and give details a day later. Simple.

I really don't give a flying fig what people on the internet think of me or what they want to believe. I say what I want to say because my objective is not to become one of popular opinion.

For example: I was in a LV store and a black, raggedy looking drug dealer-I think he was-walked in and was rummaging through his pockets looking for $2,100 in crumpled bills to pay for his special shipment from France. Now I don't know about you but I try to keep up with the Joneses cause I care about what white people think about me in today's society. How do you GC posters feel?

LOL. Once again, I guess you haven't been around for the previous 'fiascoes' I accidentally caused here. A few moths ago everyone was saying that I was an extreme black militant and that I felt all black people in Amerikkka were brainwashed by whites. Now I'm the brainwashed one. What will I be next time?

I wear my hair nappy because I want to please white folks. I go to a HBCU because I want to please white people. I'm a member of the Urban League because I want to please white people. I'm a member of the Harvest Institute because I want to please white people. I complain about non-blacks stealing the black dollar out of our communities because I want to please white people. Does something here sound funny to you?

Basically I think a lot of people here are bullshyting themselves. If you are silly enough to believe that one can live in any society without some level of conformity then I feel for you. It's human nature to do what they must do in order to survive physically and socially. Maybe they do not realize it, but everyone here conforms to this society in some way everyday. In fact we do it so much we don't even realize it, thus the reason so many people are on my back. They think they don't conform but they do and just don't see it.

The bottom line is, I want to survive in this country. To do that you have to go with the main program until you become powerful enough to create your own. I know when to submit to this society and when to stand up to it. Every black person should. However, I will not seriously consider the criticism of anyone who has demonstrated blatant bias against people based on seemingly trivial things. Many of the greeks here complain about the way their org's are disrespected and stereotype in the public eye, but then want to turn on me because I openly say that image is important no matter who is judging you. Oh, please. How many people reading this went to a white college so that they could "learn the game"? How many people here hope to work for in a fortune 500 company (aka RICH WHITE PEOPLE)? If that's not a desire to conform I don't know what is.

I may act a certain way because I don't want to be bothered. But I. dare anyone (Black, White, or Other) to tell me that you know how I feel in my heart. You know nothing of my dreams, hopes, and aspirations. You don't know how I see myself. This is an internet forum. How the hell are you going to tell me about me? Besides, I get accused of being something different every month or so. Obviously no one here (with the exception of one person) is qualified to give an opinion about me.

I have no desire to be like, be around, or cater to white American people. I have witnessed so much humiliation and hatred on their part that sometimes even looking at them makes me sick. But I'll be damned if I'm going to run around like a heathen and give those bastards even more reason to persecute me as a black woman. I smile at them but in the back of my mind I'm thinking up ways to "de-throne" them. The only reason I care is because they still have the power to make certain aspects of my life miserable if they want to. I don't like that idea, but a fact is a fact. So stop lying to yourselves. It's not about pleasing anyone, it's about survival.

[aloving1]

Yadda Yadda..............This isn't about YOU as much as YOU would like it to be or about me. I don't need to state whether or not I shop at Neiman or if my parents are successful business owners like you do in everything you post. That isn't relevant to the point YOU brought up.

So I state again:

Originally posted by Poplife

As bad as this sounds, I think blacks just need one big lesson on basic social graces.

Originally posted by aloving1

So what did you say to him when you pulled him aside?

My mother always stated: if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

It's easy raddle off the problems of the black race. But it's a whole different ball game to try and do something about it.

[Ideal08]

Again, I can agree to disagree.

Poplife, I sent you a PM.

[JJSP01]

This thread has gone all over the place since I first read it! But I've got to say this to Poplife: you sound like a bitter racist person. Out of one side of your mouth you talk about "social graces" and our (the Black community's) need for them in order to fit in, advance, whatever, in the white man's world....and then out of the other side of your mouth you talk about hating white people...you said "I have no desire to be like, be around, or cater to white American people." My point is this...if you don't like being around whites because of past negative experiences you've had with them, then you are stereotyping ALL white people based on the actions of a few...isn't that whites have done to blacks all of our lives? Why then would you feed into that same prejudice mentality?

My suggestion to you would be to "DO YOU"...stop worrying over things like the social graces, or lack thereof, of the ENTIRE black community. I'm sure you can direct your energies in a more positive way. If not...then seek therapy, because you shouldn't sweat the small stuff....cash or credit, c'mon, give me a break!

[The Original Ape]

If YOU were the recipient of that order, would it matter how he paid?

[Poplife]

Originally posted by aloving1
Yadda Yadda..............This isn't about YOU as much as YOU would like it to be or about me. I don't need to state whether or not I shop at Neiman or if my parents are successful business owners like you do in everything you post.

Aww. You follow me around. That's so cute!

If talked about dad a million times it was relevent to the topic at hand. I'm really proud of him and I like to tell people what he has done with himself considering where he started. He inspires me. Some people happily brag about their husband's, wife's, kid's, and dog's accomplisments. I've got my dad. Deal with it.

And FYI I don't shop at Neimans and I WORKED for Nordstrom for years. Now, I'd never shop at either. Thanks.

That isn't relevant to the point YOU brought up.

I didn't mention my dad, did I? And how is working (NOT shopping!) at Nordstrom for years not relevant when we were talking about an incident that happened in a RETAIL business place.

So what did you say to him when you pulled him aside?

Nada because I was pissed. Besides, usually I don't bother people I am shopping with and he didn't look like one to be messed with. I don't want to get smacked.

However when I was an employee our people heeded my warnings with no anger or even suspicion. I guess they felt that I should know because I was working there. Some of them even thanked me. *shrug*

[Poplife]

I say yes. And only because if they paid cash we could only get store credit when I returned it. :P

Besides, I've never dated any wad-of-cash-carriers. That tends to go with a certain type....a type that I'm not usually attracted to.

Originally posted by The Original Ape
If YOU were the recipient of that order, would it matter how he paid?

[Poplife]

Originally posted by JJSP01
You sound like a bitter racist person.

lol, well I WAS bitter when I wrote those things. Ya caught me on a negative streak. It happens.

Out of one side of your mouth you talk about "social graces" and our (the Black community's) need for them in order to fit in, advance, whatever, in the white man's world....and then out of the other side of your mouth you talk about hating white people...you said "I have no desire to be like, be around, or cater to white American people."

And my point still stands. Please point out where I said we had to do it all the time and like it. You can play a game you don't like if you want the prize.

My point is this...if you don't like being around whites because of past negative experiences you've had with them, then you are stereotyping ALL white people based on the actions of a few...isn't that whites have done to blacks all of our lives? Why then would you feed into that same prejudice mentality?

I understand. I have met a lot of good people that happened to be white that I like and will always like. But I will never be able to affect the life of white people in the way that can to me. So what does it matter to you OR them what I feed into? It's not what you believe, but what you do, and I can't do a whole lot.

I have moments of hatred and despise. I don't live my life in such a condition. I'm just more vocal when I'm angry. I'm more likely to post when I dislike something rather than the opposite. And I don't stereotype all white people. I just said that I prefer not to live around them. Where is the stereotype? That's a FACT about ME, not an assumption about white people.

My suggestion to you would be to "DO YOU"...stop worrying over things like the social graces, or lack thereof, of the ENTIRE black community.

Trust me, I work on me everyday. But I don't see how you can truly love and care about something and never worry about it. Besides, if it wasn't this it'd be something else.

I'm sure you can direct your energies in a more positive way.

Hey, I got enough energy to deal with everything I need to deal with. I can b*tch about something for a week and then and turn around and do something positive.

If not...then seek therapy, because you shouldn't sweat the small stuff....cash or credit, c'mon, give me a break!

I'll bring that up in my next therapy session.


Ciao

[Happydaysf91]

Moderators...maybe this one should be put on 'lockdown'....its getting a little out of hand and people are taking things 'way' too personal (just my opinion)

Skee-wee

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by Happydaysf91
Moderators...maybe this one should be put on 'lockdown'....its getting a little out of hand and people are taking things 'way' too personal (just my opinion)

Skee-wee

Soror, I thought about locking it up, but I don't want to disrupt people's conversation. So far, I don't think anyone has been OUTRIGHT rude, but I do agree, it has gotten personal, shoot, I took some stuff personal, too. Let me talk it over with my other 3 soror-moderators. I try to only lock or close inappropriate threads. I think people are still trying to be cordial to each other. *sigh* I'll ask the rest of the AF.

In the meantime, can we get back to the subject at hand, Cash or Card?

Thanks, Soror Happydays, good lookin' out. Skee-Wee

[aloving1]

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't follow people around-and you wouldn't be an option. I've just been an acute, silent observer for a while.

You say one thing then turn around and state the opposite. You like to call others out for their "hypocrisy" while doing the same thing.

Examples:

Originally posted by Poplife
And FYI I don't shop at Neimans and I WORKED for Nordstrom for years. Now, I'd never shop at either. Thanks.

However in a topic titled "Favorite Brand of Clothing",

Originally posted by Poplife
Well, I work for an upscale retail company so I can get almost any designer at a reduced price.

So were you lying and really got your Ferragamo shoes from Target?

Originally posted by Poplife
I have no desire to be like, be around, or cater to white American people."

But you say before:

Originally posted by Poplife
I like to sit in Vuitton after work and talk to the employees (since it's next door to my job) and I often observe some of our people shopping.

Are you talking with the white/black employees and discussing how blacks are so tacky and embarrassing?

Don't lie just to make a point valid. You should take tabs on your own posts so that you don't say one thing in one thread and then contradict yourself in another.

I don't understand how you can say in one breathe we need to have better social graces to accommodate to white people and in the same breathe say these people don't want us shopping in their stores anyways. again.

Maybe if you hadn't come off like, "I got my stuff together but the rest of you black folks don't", you wouldn't have gotten the reaction you did.

And to keep with the topic at hand , I use cash (if I physically have it) depending on where I am or what I'm buying. However, since the invention of the debit card, I will swipe, swipe in a heartbeat.

[Mz. Sports Luva]

Originally posted by Ideal08
In the meantime, can we get back to the subject at hand, Cash or Card?

I'm a card swiper. I very rarely carry cash, unless I'm going out to a club or something like that.

DSTLove, what was Frank Ski's response to your 2nd email? I'm glad you told him about himself!

[Ideal08]

what Soror Happydays was talking about. I am going to have to ask that if you are carrying on back and forth with ONE other person, please, do it by PM or email. I am at work today, and I just can't monitor this right now, my peeps are on Christmas break, so this has to go on lockdown for now. I will open it back up (maybe) later.