Canadians blame US for 9/11?!?

RACooper · #1 09-07-2006, 04:13 PM

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New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks

A majority of Canadians believe U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, and Quebecers are quicker to criticize the U.S. administration for its international actions than other Canadians, a recent poll suggests.
Those conclusions are found in a newly released poll conducted by Léger Marketing for the Association for Canadian Studies.
The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreign policy for the Sept. 11 attacks. The results suggest 57 per cent in Ontario hold a similar view.
more at
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/st...7/911poll.html

While I disagree with the methodology and simplistic nature of the questioning, I can’t say I’m all that surprised by the results…

Most Canadians do believe that American foreign policy was a major contributing factor to the 9/11 attacks, but I had no idea that so many viewed it as the primary or root cause of the attacks.

KillarneyRose · #2 09-07-2006, 04:22 PM

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Are people from Quebec called "Quebecers"? I always thought it was "Quebecois"?

Or is Quebecers just the anglicized version?

/off topic

Phasad1913 · #3 09-07-2006, 04:27 PM

That's interesting. I hope people don't just brush that off.

Kevin · #4 09-07-2006, 04:40 PM

Is Canada a terrorist state?

shinerbock · #5 09-07-2006, 04:42 PM

What do you mean "brush that off"? I brush it off as complete nonsense. Does Canada blame the Columbine shootings on the students who were killed? I guess being ridiculed gives you the right to shoot up a school, under their ideology. After all, they think that the U.S. supporting Israel is the cause for a bunch of terrorists flying into a buildings filled with civilians. Oh right, they're crusaders, not terrorists. I'm about to learn to play hockey just so I can wage war on Canadians.

_Opi_ · #6 09-07-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ktsnake

Is Canada a terrorist state?

They would be a terrorist state because the majority believe that the US foreign policy provokes these kinds of attacks?

Kevin · #7 09-07-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

What do you mean "brush that off"? I brush it off as complete nonsense. Does Canada blame the Columbine shootings on the students who were killed? I guess being ridiculed gives you the right to shoot up a school, under their ideology. After all, they think that the U.S. supporting Israel is the cause for a bunch of terrorists flying into a buildings filled with civilians. Oh right, they're crusaders, not terrorists. I'm about to learn to play hockey just so I can wage war on Canadians.

In Canadian hockey, if you high stick a guy, they also make him sit in the penalty box I'm told.

kstar · #8 09-07-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

What do you mean "brush that off"? I brush it off as complete nonsense. Does Canada blame the Columbine shootings on the students who were killed? I guess being ridiculed gives you the right to shoot up a school, under their ideology. After all, they think that the U.S. supporting Israel is the cause for a bunch of terrorists flying into a buildings filled with civilians. Oh right, they're crusaders, not terrorists. I'm about to learn to play hockey just so I can wage war on Canadians.

While I don't agree with the Columbine shootings, I do think the kids brought it on themselves, just as the US brought most terrorist attacks upon ourselves.

Editted to add: It's just like an animal, there is only so much abuse it can take before it turns around and attacks.

shinerbock · #9 09-07-2006, 05:08 PM

Wow. I'm stunned.^

Drolefille · #10 09-07-2006, 05:12 PM

Kids are cruel. If they hadn't been, the shootings wouldn't have happened. There are a ton of variables including all those surrounding the shooters. But there was a cause-effect relationship between the shooters and the peers.

I don't believe that anyone else is to blame for the shooters actions, but we all shape each other.

shinerbock · #11 09-07-2006, 05:31 PM

That is quite the dangerous idea though. There must be a level of personal responsibility in controlling one's actions. One of our primary reasons for punishment is to avoid retribution. In most crimes (and in people's lives in general) something prompts a response. If I hadn't gotten fired, I wouldn't have stolen. If he hadn't said that, I wouldn't have killed him. Hell, if I hadn't gotten paid this afternoon, I wouldn't have bought that crack. The boys at Columbine should have taken the appropriate route regarding being made fun of. Millions of teens are made fun of daily, and few respond violently (at least to this level). Continuing my most constant theme on these boards, our society must adopt and return to the notion of personal responsibility.

RACooper · #12 09-07-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KillarneyRose

off topic

Are people from Quebec called "Quebecers"? I always thought it was "Quebecois"?

Or is Quebecers just the anglicized version?

/off topic

Quebecers is the anglicized version...

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Originally Posted by ktsnake

Is Canada a terrorist state?

According to Newt Gingrich and Pat Buchunan that'd be a yes... but then again Newt thinks the 9/11 terrorists came from Canada and Mexico

and good'ol Pat is convinced Canada is a Communist state...

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Does Canada blame the Columbine shootings on the students who were killed? I guess being ridiculed gives you the right to shoot up a school, under their ideology.

Would most Canadians think that the students that tormented the shooters in Columbine were partly to blame... well that'd be a yes if one looks back at the polls then; but they also blame the parents, the teachers and school administration, and mostly the shooters themselves.

Like Drolefille stated, I think most Canadians simply believe that there is a cause-effect relationship to terrorism... in fact our PM back after 9/11 stated as much.

Drolefille · #13 09-07-2006, 05:34 PM

Oh I agree. But as I have a psychology degree and am working on my Masters, I see it as a causal relationship nonetheless.

They still chose to act as they did. And the terrorists are still responsible for 9/11. But, America's policies helped to put those terrorists in the position they were in, just as the other teens at that school helped to create killers.

ETClarify: this is not a way of "blaming" America or absolving Bin Ladin. But after Columbine, teachers and students stepped back and said "what could we do differently. I think America should do the same thing.

RACooper · #14 09-07-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

That is quite the dangerous idea though. There must be a level of personal responsibility in controlling one's actions. One of our primary reasons for punishment is to avoid retribution. In most crimes (and in people's lives in general) something prompts a response. If I hadn't gotten fired, I wouldn't have stolen. If he hadn't said that, I wouldn't have killed him. Hell, if I hadn't gotten paid this afternoon, I wouldn't have bought that crack. The boys at Columbine should have taken the appropriate route regarding being made fun of. Millions of teens are made fun of daily, and few respond violently (at least to this level). Continuing my most constant theme on these boards, our society must adopt and return to the notion of personal responsibility.

See that's a punative mindset - in that punative action seen as the primary stoppage to inappropriate action. Whereas in Canada the common public ideology is preventative; ie. stopping the situation before it even gets to the point where punative action comes into play... I guess playing into the cause-effect relationship mentioned in the post above... preventative seeks to remove the cause, while punative threatens with effect.

RACooper · #15 09-07-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Oh I agree. But as I have a psychology degree and am working on my Masters, I see it as a causal relationship nonetheless.

They still chose to act as they did. And the terrorists are still responsible for 9/11. But, America's policies helped to put those terrorists in the position they were in, just as the other teens at that school helped to create killers.

ETClarify: this is not a way of "blaming" America or absolving Bin Ladin. But after Columbine, teachers and students stepped back and said "what could we do differently. I think America should do the same thing.

I agree with this too... yes there is a cause-effect relationship to terrorism, but that doesn't excuse or explain it. Like you said it's a casual relationship, not one that is the be all and end all to the terrorism dynamic. So yes there are always going to be the nutjobs, the insane, the power-hungry, the hateful, and the downright evil... but it is important to stepback and not create a supportive enviroment for these misanthropes.