So What Happens Now?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by shinerbock
I agree with your stance on how race is viewed. Maybe we should start a thread on the legality and reasoning behind hate crime legislation.

In the AKA forum there is a thread on this where they repeatedly bring up race and seem pretty one sided on the issue - not a wait until charges, a trial, and evidence but a "Those white players are guilty" view.

-Rudey

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by valkyrie
The thing is, even if we ignore the concept of "hate crimes" for a minute, and even if we disregard the allegations of racial slurs, race still is an issue here. In the criminal justice system, race often is an issue one way or another -- it affects everything from police stops to charges to hearings and trials to plea agreements and verdicts to sentencing (at least in my experience). So much of what happens in the criminal arena IS some form of white v. black debate.

[shinerbock]

There is a difference between bringing race in as a motive, and having unaffected black leaders use this issue as the beginning of a broad racial debate.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by shinerbock
There is a difference between bringing race in as a motive, and having unaffected black leaders use this issue as the beginning of a broad racial debate.

Is there?

[ilikehazing]

I agree.

Worthless scum like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will undoubtedly use this as part of the "race card".

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by shinerbock
There is a difference between bringing race in as a motive, and having unaffected black leaders use this issue as the beginning of a broad racial debate.

Why shouldn't this begin a broad racial debate? I don't see any problem with that.

I look at it like this -- I would never make any assumptions as to the guilt or innocence of anybody who might be or has been charged with a crime. That's because of my background and experience, from which I've formed my own understanding of criminal justice and racial issues. That understanding is different from yours or that of anybody else in the world. In a different world, or with a different background and experience, my understanding of and reaction to this case would be different as well. As long as the participants respect that we're all coming from different points, discussion and/or debate can serve to increase our understanding of each other and the issues in cases like this, which I think is a good thing.

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Rudey
lol I mean how exactly would strippers stay in business if groups of guys didn't hire them?

And again she worked for an escort agency so she also worked as a prostitute. Both are good professions

It's also important to note that the DA is running for re-election and needs to get as much press time as possible and to be "loved" by a community that has taken the prostitute's/stripper's side.

-Rudey

pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)
n.
One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.


strip·per ( P ) Pronunciation Key (strpr)
n.
One that strips, as one that strips photographic negatives or positives.
A chemical product for removing a surface covering, such as paint or varnish, from furniture or floors.
One who performs a striptease.
An oil well that produces ten barrels or fewer per day.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by mccoyred
pros·ti·tute ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt)
n.
One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.


strip·per ( P ) Pronunciation Key (strpr)
n.
One that strips, as one that strips photographic negatives or positives.
A chemical product for removing a surface covering, such as paint or varnish, from furniture or floors.
One who performs a striptease.
An oil well that produces ten barrels or fewer per day.

SHE WORKED FOR AN ESCORT AGENCY.

If there is nothing wrong with calling her a stripper, there is nothing wrong with calling her a prostitute. It's a profession. Deal with it already. If she doesn't want people to know she's a prostitute, perhaps she could work at a library and not for an escort agency.

-Rudey
--I put it in caps just to make sure you saw it.

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Rudey
SHE WORKED FOR AN ESCORT AGENCY.

If there is nothing wrong with calling her a stripper, there is nothing wrong with calling her a prostitute. It's a profession. Deal with it already. If she doesn't want people to know she's a prostitute, perhaps she could work at a library and not for an escort agency.

-Rudey
--I put it in caps just to make sure you saw it.

There is nothing wrong with calling her a stripper because that is what 'exotic dancers' do. However, there has not been anything presented that she 'solicits and accepts payment for sex acts'.

A receptionist works for the Escort Agency does that make her a prostitute, too? What about the accountant or attorney, I guess they are prostitutes, too?

SAY WHAT YOU MEAN AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY. Note that I refuse to comment anymore on the facts until I know more. But I refuse to let you or anyone else get away with this type of ignorant language.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by mccoyred
There is nothing wrong with calling her a stripper because that is what 'exotic dancers' do. However, there has not been anything presented that she 'solicits and accepts payment for sex acts'.

A receptionist works for the Escort Agency does that make her a prostitute, too? What about the accountant or attorney, I guess they are prostitutes, too?

SAY WHAT YOU MEAN AND MEAN WHAT YOU SAY. Note that I refuse to comment anymore on the facts until I know more. But I refuse to let you or anyone else get away with this type of ignorant language.

"8:30 p.m.: The accuser is called by her escort agency and told to report to the Buchanan Boulevard house that night."

You're right. The escort agency sends their receptionists out at 8:30 PM.

What ignorant language? There is nothing wrong with being a prostitute or a stripper in my book.

-Rudey

[shinerbock]

Well, for example, if I were Tucker Carlson or some other conservative pundit, and I got on TV to fire up racial issues everytime black guys beat up or raped a white woman, I'd be termed a racist. I also wouldnt have time to do very much else.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Well, for example, if I were Tucker Carlson or some other conservative pundit, and I got on TV to fire up racial issues everytime black guys beat up or raped a white woman, I'd be termed a racist. I also wouldnt have time to do very much else.

You'd have even less time to do much else if you were to report everytime white guys beat up or raped a white woman. That happens much more often since:

1) whites comprise a much larger percentage of the general population
2) violent crimes such as rape and assault tend to be intraracial
and
3) these crimes are most often committed by friends, family, and acquaintances. In a racially and class segregated society such as this, people's friends, family members and acquaintances are most often of the same race that they are.

Thanks for participating.

[shinerbock]

I appreciate your thanks, but your points are not relevant in a discussion of race. There is no white on white battle portrayed constantly in the media. Black on white violent crime is much more common than the opposite, and black people comprise much less of the population. Thanks for trying.

[PhrozenGod01]

Black on white violent crime is much more common than the opposite,

Do you have any statistics to back that statement up?

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by shinerbock
I appreciate your thanks, but your points are not relevant in a discussion of race. There is no white on white battle portrayed constantly in the media. Black on white violent crime is much more common than the opposite, and black people comprise much less of the population. Thanks for trying.

Is there authority in support of your statements? I'm not being a smartass -- I'm actually curious.

My guess is that there is a lot of white-on-white violence in this country; it just doesn't get media attention.