Protests/Violonce over desecration of Qur'an at Gitmo

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
That is your interpretation of Islam. I have had this discussion with people on this board and many of those Muslims do see my viewpoint. My viewpoint is that religion is interpreted by people differently. There are quite a few people who do believe in violence and are Muslims and believe in cutting off body parts according to Sharia and might even consider you not to be a real Muslim. You will say they are not true Muslims and they will say the same of you. The problem is that there are not just a handful of people with that viewpoint anymore.

And yes, there is a problem with desecrating or disrespecting any book, but no book is worth dying for and certainly not killing for. Perhaps your interpretation of Islam differs from those in the middle east that did want to kill and did die after Newsweek released a report; I don't know.

-Rudey

That may be true, but as someone is outside my faith, your opinion of the "rifts" (put in quotes to signify that I'm not acknowledging that there is one) in Islam is irrelevant to me. I don't believe that killing anyone is right, and those that try to twist God's word for their own personal agenda will have to answer for that.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Where did you get 1/5? A decade ago it was 1/4 I thought and the fast growing religion. I don't know the statistics now but I was just wondering if it really was that low.

-Rudey

That figure came from www.islamicity.com

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
That may be true, but as someone is outside my faith, your opinion of the "rifts" (put in quotes to signify that I'm not acknowledging that there is one) in Islam is irrelevant to me. I don't believe that killing anyone is right, and those that try to twist God's word for their own personal agenda will have to answer for that.

I guess only Muslims can know these things and you are on a website with quite a few people from outside your faith discussing this. I'm guessing that whatever you do find irrelevant is relevant enough for you to comment on it.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
That figure came from www.islamicity.com

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

26% (1/4) in 1996.

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
I guess only Muslims can know these things and you are on a website with quite a few people from outside your faith discussing this. I'm guessing that whatever you do find irrelevant is relevant enough for you to comment on it.

-Rudey

Rudey, would it be appropriate to comment on the innerworkings of your fraternity? Of course not. So why do you find it appropriate to comment on the inner workings of a belief system that you don't subscribe to?

And for the record, I didn't discuss it. I simply stated that whethere you agree or disagree with insurgents, its rude to disrespect everyone who believes in Islam because of the actions of a few.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm

26% (1/4) in 1996.

-Rudey

Proud?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Rudey, would it be appropriate to comment on the innerworkings of your fraternity? Of course not. So why do you find it appropriate to comment on the inner workings of a belief system that you don't subscribe to?

And for the record, I didn't discuss it. I simply stated that whethere you agree or disagree with insurgents, its rude to disrespect everyone who believes in Islam because of the actions of a few.

Yes. You can comment on my fraternity if you would like.

And I will comment on Islam if I like. Heck the religion affects me quite a bit - everything from growing up in Iran to September 11. I will keep posting. You can comment that my posts are irrelevant if you want but I don't see the point in coming into this thread to tell me what is or isn't irrelevant to you.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Proud?

Your post is irrelevant to me using your logic.

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Yes. You can comment on my fraternity if you would like.

And I will comment on Islam if I like. Heck the religion affects me quite a bit - everything from growing up in Iran to September 11. I will keep posting. You can comment that my posts are irrelevant if you want but I don't see the point in coming into this thread to tell me what is or isn't irrelevant to you.

-Rudey

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

With or without your comments, Islam will continue to function. But thanks for playing!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

With or without your comments, Islam will continue to function. But thanks for playing!

Umm who said anything about Islam functioning?

Using your logic, your post again is irrelevant.

-Rudey
--It's so clever when people say "Thanks for playing", that I almost forget the 5,000 other times it's been said by people on this website

[RACooper]

I'm sorry Rudey but passing judgement on a faith based upon the actions and beliefs of fanatic nutjobs is doing more than a little insulting to the those that practice the faith.

In this case you are judging the Islamic faith, based upon the actions of those who who by their actions violate the tennets of the faith, whether through violence or political exploitation... a comparative would be judging the Christian faith and those thast practice it based on the actions and beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church - or judging the Jewish faith and those who practice it based in the actions and beliefs of Kahane Chai (Kach) or the JDL.

None of the above mentioned groups should be taken as a reflection upon the whole of the faith that spawned them - nor should any of us be surprised that any faith can be manipulated by those that wish to pervert it for their own ideological/political agenda.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
I'm sorry Rudey but passing judgement on a faith based upon the actions and beliefs of fanatic nutjobs is doing more than a little insulting to the those that practice the faith.

In this case you are judging the Islamic faith, based upon the actions of those who who by their actions violate the tennets of the faith, whether through violence or political exploitation... a comparative would be judging the Christian faith and those thast practice it based on the actions and beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church - or judging the Jewish faith and those who practice it based in the actions and beliefs of Kahane Chai (Kach) or the JDL.

None of the above mentioned groups should be taken as a reflection upon the whole of the faith that spawned them - nor should any of us be surprised that any faith can be manipulated by those that wish to pervert it for their own ideological/political agenda.

Who is passing judgement on a faith? Don't make such accusations. And again, this is not a small fringe movement. Whole countries are being run with these ideologies. Saudi Arabia is estimated to have spent over $50 billion to spread Wahabism. Madrassas from Pakistan through Morocco are churning out would be terrorists.

And according to jubilance your viewpoint is irrelevant because you are not Muslim.

And getting back to the topic of this thread, it is these religious freaks and terrorists who want to kill Americans over a Newsweek article saying Korans were desecrated and these freaks and terrorists who did die for that cause.

-Rudey
--But I guess you can deny it and just say I'm judging a whole faith.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Who is passing judgement on a faith? Don't make such accusations. And again, this is not a small fringe movement. Whole countries are being run with these ideologies. Saudi Arabia is estimated to have spent over $50 billion to spread Wahabism. Madrassas from Pakistan through Morocco are churning out would be terrorists.

And according to jubilance your viewpoint is irrelevant because you are not Muslim.

And getting back to the topic of this thread, it is these religious freaks and terrorists who want to kill Americans over a Newsweek article saying Korans were desecrated and these freaks and terrorists who did die for that cause.

-Rudey
--But I guess you can deny it and just say I'm judging a whole faith.

Its always interesting how those who make offensive comments can never admit to it later.

So Rudey, does your opinion hold true for all religious terrorists, or just Muslims? Do you think its wrong for Christians to do it, or Jews, or Buddhists? I'm just wondering if you're anti-Muslim or anti-violence.

I'm anti-violence, but you're doing the exact same thing the terrorists are: blaming the entire group for the actions of a few.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Its always interesting how those who make offensive comments can never admit to it later.

So Rudey, does your opinion hold true for all religious terrorists, or just Muslims? Do you think its wrong for Christians to do it, or Jews, or Buddhists? I'm just wondering if you're anti-Muslim or anti-violence.

I'm anti-violence, but you're doing the exact same thing the terrorists are: blaming the entire group for the actions of a few.

It's not a few and yes I am against all religious terrorists. I think most people are against religious terrorists of any kind. I don't understand what makes someone want to intentionally hurt an innocent civilian and I think common human nature probably makes that common in most people.

But for someone who thinks my thoughts are irrelevant because I'm not Muslim, you sure keep caring about my thoughts enough to post on them. And now you allege offensive comments without anything to back them up - so they were irrelevant but offensive?

Anyhoo, here is a thread on the Growth of Radical Islam: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...fundamentalism

In this thread, I think we can all agree that if any Korans were desecrated it is disrespectful and a shame and that we all reject killing in the name of religion and books like the Koran - or at least I hope we can all agree to that.

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
It's not a few and yes I am against all religious terrorists. I think most people are against religious terrorists of any kind. I don't understand what makes someone want to intentionally hurt an innocent civilian and I think common human nature probably makes that common in most people.

But for someone who thinks my thoughts are irrelevant because I'm not Muslim, you sure keep caring about my thoughts enough to post on them. And now you allege offensive comments without anything to back them up - so they were irrelevant but offensive?

Anyhoo, here is a thread on the Growth of Radical Islam: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...fundamentalism

In this thread, I think we can all agree that if any Korans were desecrated it is disrespectful and a shame and that we all reject killing in the name of religion and books like the Koran - or at least I hope we can all agree to that.

-Rudey

You can have all the opinions you want.

Your comments on Islam as a religion - irrelevant to me. I didn't ask you about my religion, I asked you about terrorists.

Don't worry, nobody takes that talk seriously.

At the end of the day, terrorists around the world wanted to kill Americans because of a fake story about what happened to a book involving a toilet (something they don't even have in their countries and would surely praise).

-Rudey

Its pretty damn rude to ASSume folks who are Muslims don't know what toilets are, and don't have them.

You can come back with whatever snappy comebacks you want, but at the end of the day, you haven't focused on my main point:ITS NOT RIGHT TO STEREOTYPE ALL BASED UPON THE ACTIONS OF A MINORITY!

You just pointed out that 1/4 of the world's population is Muslim;therefore, we can't ALL be terrorists. So stop insinuating that we are!