Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Tulip86]

Having no sympathy for his followers is something I completely understand. But having no sympathy for his children (especially the ones under 18) I have to disagree with. If you're too young to explore and find other opinions and options for life and culture I don't think you should be held accountable for what your father did. And I do think it's very unfortunate that one of his children, a 12 year old girl, was reportedly there when they shot him.

I don't care if he was unarmed, that mad had it coming, there are no words to desctibe the terrible things he did and evoked.

I do however find it weird to see so many people celebrating murder. (I personally feel killing someone, whether they deserve it or not, to be murder)
Not saying people shouldn't celebrate, everyone has the right to handle the news as they please.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

My point: Why care if he was killed in a gunfight armed or unarmed? Why care if his wife rushed a Seal and was shot for it? The guy deserved to get whatever... call it murder, assassination, extermination, or termination with extreme prejudice; the guy was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. I have no sympathy for him, his followers, his kids, or his wives, even if he was a good husband/father/provider/protector.

I don't think anyone's even saying that he was a good husband/etc. Just that the "his wife was less worth than our dog" comment isn't factual. It's kind of like trying insult OBL for being ugly, it misses all the really valid criticisms.

No one's said he shouldn't have been shot (in this thread.)

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah I thought about saying something about that too. Talk about painting with big broad strokes. And who is the "they" in "their culture"? Terrorists? Saudis? Wahhabiism? Salafis? Sunnis? People named Bin Laden?

Osama's wives

Not very in depth but an interesting article about the woman who was injured, and some of her life.

Thanks for sharing. I was going to mention that at least one of his wives divorced him, but I couldn't remember where I'd heard that. I think it's interesting to realize that several of his wives/widows are highly educated and supportive of his cause. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about the culture and some of the generalizations I've seen, including here in this thread, are the result of a lack of understanding. That's certainly not to say that I would want to be part of the culture, because for me, what I perceive as negative aspects outweigh the positives. But, it's still interesting to me.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I don't think anyone's even saying that he was a good husband/etc. Just that the "his wife was less worth than our dog" comment isn't factual. It's kind of like trying insult OBL for being ugly, it misses all the really valid criticisms.

Absolutely.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

It's as if no one's heard of classified information...

You do realize that just because something is classified doesn't prevent it from being leaked (Wikileaks) or even told/sold to the media. I also don't believe it will remain classified forever so I believe we will eventually hear to real story sooner rather than later. May not be a Seal but it will be someone who was in the loop. JMO

[preciousjeni]

More info and some comments from people close to the action:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presi...ry?id=13543148

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

You do realize that just because something is classified doesn't prevent it from being leaked (Wikileaks) or even told/sold to the media. I also don't believe it will remain classified forever so I believe we will eventually hear to real story sooner rather than later. May not be a Seal but it will be someone who was in the loop. JMO

You're moving the goalposts.

[Ghostwriter]

Here is OBL's "Last Will and Testament" - Funny stuff.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...and-testament/

[DrPhil]

As much as I love SNL, I found absolutely nothing funny about their OBL "jokes."

Some laughter is just awkward, uncomfortable, "is this appropriate to laugh at in public" laughter.

WOMP WOMP FAIL FAIL @ SNL, their "Last Will and Testament," and all of the other Osama Bin Laden "jokes."

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Here is OBL's "Last Will and Testament" - Funny stuff.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...and-testament/

It seemed more reflective of the SNL writers' discomfort (or perhaps their anticipation of their viewers' discomfort) with his religion and culture than a parody of bin Laden himself.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

It seemed more reflective of the SNL writers' discomfort (or perhaps their anticipation of their viewers' discomfort) with his religion and culture than a parody of bin Laden himself.

I agree. It was mockery.

[Ghostwriter]

We are now finding out many more details of the raid. I knew it would not stay under wraps for too long.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...ion-shot-deal/

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I knew it would not stay under wraps for too long.

Huh? Information has been coming out steadily.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Huh? Information has been coming out steadily.

Not this detailed. My point is that "classified" stuff almost always leaks. My bet is that if it was/is classified that this was not supposed to come out. At least not at this time. Once the "cat is out of the bag" it is not a great leap to imagine that an active participant will one day give an interview or write a book.

This may be declassified sooner rather than later. I am not even sure it is considered "classified". Has anyone seen that designation?

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Not this detailed. My point is that "classified" stuff almost always leaks. My bet is that if it was/is classified that this was not supposed to come out. At least not at this time. Once the "cat is out of the bag" it is not a great leap to imagine that an active participant will one day give an interview or write a book.

This may be declassified sooner rather than later. I am not even sure it is considered "classified". Has anyone seen that designation?

You are foolish to think that this will be declassified, let alone an active participant will give an interview.

People who don't participate in things like this and think that movies that glorify ops like this will believe this will become declassified.

Why? They live in a world of fame and no consequences.

Unfortunately, the reality is much more gruesome and scary than Hollywood will make you think it is.

There isn't a Jack Ryan or John McClain in real life. You are talking real people with real families who when anonymity is compromised must change their real life in order to protect themselves and their loved ones.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

There isn't a Jack Ryan or John McClain in real life.

I read "John McCain" and said YES THERE IS!

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