Rushing rules reg. females

jonnydrillbit · #1 08-11-2008, 10:03 PM

I noticed a lot of people have been writing "bring hot girls with you when you rush" or talking about having a formal dinner with a sorority. These things would not be allowed by school's IFC bylaws which state that no FEMALE (other than the chapter's designated sweetheart(s)) may be present at any rush event. Having females at rush events can be penalized just like having alcohol.

banditone · #2 08-11-2008, 10:49 PM

I found my loophole.

"other than the chapter's designated sweetheart(s)"

EE-BO · #3 08-11-2008, 10:52 PM

You might want to do some research on that. Panhellenic has strict rules that would preclude the presence of sorority women at fraternity rush parties during formal recruitment, and preclude the presence of rushees at any fraternity parties- but I have never seen or heard of any IFC rule that females may not be present at fraternity rush events. And I sure as hell never attended any rush party without lots of ladies.

A rushee or active who can bring high caliber women to a party- and not just hot, but smart, interesting etc.- is saying a great deal to his credit that ladies are willing to associate with him and trust him to bring them to an event they would like and where they would have a good time.

You sit at home and plan your recruitment party with pizza and Coke watching a video from nationals if you want, but that is not how successful and ambitious people think.

And let me tell you that successful and ambitious rushees go on to become successful and ambitious brothers- and very financially successful alumni whose donations make it possible for fraternities to continue to exist.

PS- Many Universities/fraternities have banned "sweethearts". So the one thing you do think acceptable is actually the one thing that is widely discouraged.

PANTHERTEKE · #4 08-12-2008, 12:47 AM

Well my university recently made a stupid rule regarding Rush Week events: "no more than 17 women can attend no more than 2 rush week events."

So we can have 10 girls at Monday's event and 7 girls at Wednesday's event, or 17 at Monday's, etc- but if we have 10 Monday and 8 Tuesday, we get fined.

It's pretty ridiculous, and I think 17 is an odd/random number, but there are ways to "get around it."

cattleprod · #5 08-12-2008, 01:12 AM

we make sure that we have tons of girls at our rush parties throughout the summer, it reflects well on the house. I would never want to rush a house where I needed to bring a bunch of girls with me because the actives were a walking sausagefest.

PANTHERTEKE · #6 08-12-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cattleprod

we make sure that we have tons of girls at our rush parties throughout the summer, it reflects well on the house. I would never want to rush a house where I needed to bring a bunch of girls with me because the actives were a walking sausagefest.

Well I don't think any IFC can or tries to regulate parties throughout summer.

I think the OP was more referring to the events of the actual formal rush week.

jonnydrillbit · #7 08-12-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

Well my university recently made a stupid rule regarding Rush Week events: "no more than 17 women can attend no more than 2 rush week events."

So we can have 10 girls at Monday's event and 7 girls at Wednesday's event, or 17 at Monday's, etc- but if we have 10 Monday and 8 Tuesday, we get fined.

It's pretty ridiculous, and I think 17 is an odd/random number, but there are ways to "get around it."

This is similar to the laws that they made for our fraternities (except its no girls unless theyre sweethearts-usually ends up being 1 or 2 girls).

We have about 14 NIC fraternities and none of them seem to have a problem with this, maybe its because rush events are usually bowling, HOOTERS, baseball games, poker, etc. events where women are not the center of attention anyway. There is usually a party after bids where girls can come but thats only after bids.
I'm looking for the section of the IFC laws that states this but cant find it right now.

TSteven · #8 08-12-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnydrillbit

This is similar to the laws that they made for our fraternities (except its no girls unless theyre sweethearts-usually ends up being 1 or 2 girls).

We have about 14 NIC fraternities and none of them seem to have a problem with this, maybe its because rush events are usually bowling, HOOTERS, baseball games, poker, etc. events where women are not the center of attention anyway. There is usually a party after bids where girls can come but thats only after bids.
I'm looking for the section of the IFC laws that states this but cant find it right now.

I just want to point out that just because *your* campus IFC (the general your/you) may not allow women at rush events, doesn't mean that on other campuses, women can not attend. Each campus is different and there are no NIC rules that govern women at IFC rush events.

Entrepreneur · #9 08-13-2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

I just want to point out that just because *your* campus IFC (the general your/you) may not allow women at rush events, doesn't mean that on other campuses, women can not attend. Each campus is different and there are no NIC rules that govern women at IFC rush events.

Agreed. Every campus is slightly different. My daughter moved into her sorority house a week ago as they go through their month long process to do whatever it is they do to prep for rush. Until bid day, she said that Panhellenic rules prevent girls from any sorority appearing at any fraternity house for any reason.

Once sorority bid day ends, she'll probably drag a half dozen of her sorority sisters to camp out at her boyfriend's fraternity house and help them rush (their rush trails the sororities' rush by several weeks, which seems odd, but every campus is slightly different).

gphiangel624 · #10 08-20-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

I just want to point out that just because *your* campus IFC (the general your/you) may not allow women at rush events, doesn't mean that on other campuses, women can not attend. Each campus is different and there are no NIC rules that govern women at IFC rush events.

NIC doesn't have any rules for governing the presence of women at IFC chapter rush/recruitment events, but their "Basic 5" manual for IFC recruitment officers states that there should not be women at events as one of the extra guidelines for the Basic 5. So while they don't prohibit it, they ask chapters to consider why women at men's events are necessary.

I've always asked what the role of the women at the event is - if they are doing something that the men should be doing (i.e. serving snacks/drinks, talking to potential members, providing entertainment, selecting and/or voting on potential members), why aren't the male members of the organization doing it? I can understand having women present as "social icebreakers" but even that can be a questionable role.

And, let's face it, having women present can and probably will add to the liability for the fraternity. An example that potential male members may also do, but women add another risk of bringing alcohol into what should be dry recruitment.

TSteven · #11 08-20-2008, 08:24 PM

I have never heard of any woman selecting or voting on any potential fraternity member - ever! Input, sure. But never the selection.

PhiGam · #12 08-12-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnydrillbit

I noticed a lot of people have been writing "bring hot girls with you when you rush" or talking about having a formal dinner with a sorority. These things would not be allowed by school's IFC bylaws which state that no FEMALE (other than the chapter's designated sweetheart(s)) may be present at any rush event. Having females at rush events can be penalized just like having alcohol.

If IFC actually enforces that rule wherever you attend college then I recommend a transfer.

srmom · #13 08-12-2008, 11:04 AM

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"bring hot girls with you when you rush"

Funny that you said that, I was just talking to my son about some of the guys they just gave bids to. His comment about one was that he always brought a bunch of pretty girls with him to the house.

I guess that's what stood out the most and it helped him get a bid

Tom Earp · #14 08-12-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom

Funny that you said that, I was just talking to my son about some of the guys they just gave bids to. His comment about one was that he always brought a bunch of pretty girls with him to the house.

I guess that's what stood out the most and it helped him get a bid

I hope that was not the only reason!

It sounds like this guy could be a short lived PNM!

Things called GPA, being active in the Chapter are more important to me and most of us!

I hope he was just laffing as much as I was in reading this!

srmom · #15 08-12-2008, 05:16 PM

He was just giving me a quick rundown of the new guys and that was the description for this one. I'm sure he brought more to the equation than that (at least I hope so). Or else you're right in that he might be short lived.