Pregnant Man

[RaggedyAnn]

Just on the news...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-w...nsgender-birth

Ah, Tom Beatie. I remember him. I didn't like the guy then...and I still don't like him now.

He's not a man if he kept his female organs. I don't know what the big deal is.

Here's a link to local coverage here: http://starbulletin.com/2008/03/26/news/story04.html

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OTW

Ah, Tom Beatie. I remember him. I didn't like the guy then...and I still don't like him now.

He's not a man if he kept his female organs. I don't know what the big deal is.

Here's a link to local coverage here: http://starbulletin.com/2008/03/26/news/story04.html

Yep. Without making too many judgments, I'm just going with, you aren't a man if you have a uterus.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by OTW

Ah, Tom Beatie. I remember him. I didn't like the guy then...and I still don't like him now.

He's not a man if he kept his female organs. I don't know what the big deal is.

Here's a link to local coverage here: http://starbulletin.com/2008/03/26/news/story04.html

He only kept the internal organs, superficially, he's a man. Gender issues are a sensitive subject I know, but if someone says that they want to be identified as a man, they should be.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by kstar

He only kept the internal organs, superficially, he's a man. Gender issues are a sensitive subject I know, but if someone says that they want to be identified as a man, they should be.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, being as there are a whole set of psychological tests that one has to go thru before they are even approved for gender reassignment. With that said...and after givng that article the once over, I am thinking how ethical is it to let this person go back and get themselves impregnated after they made a serious choice to become a man?

I am hoping that this doesn't set a precedent that those who are opting for gender reassignment will follow along and want to have the best of both worlds.

I apologize if this sounds harsh...but the moment you make that decision to switch...either do it and go all the way with it or don't do it at all.

I almost feel like this person went 1/2 way and is regressing....next thing he will want to breastfeed.....

[sageofages]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I almost feel like this person went 1/2 way and is regressing....next thing he will want to breastfeed.....

Won't happen...He had a mastectomy as part of the transistion.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by kstar

He only kept the internal organs, superficially, he's a man. Gender issues are a sensitive subject I know, but if someone says that they want to be identified as a man, they should be.

I agree that the individual should be identified as male for the purposes of how that individual is treated by law or culture - however, scientifically, this is not the same as a male having a child, and I can't think that there is any positive in treating this any other way.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by kstar

He only kept the internal organs, superficially, he's a man. Gender issues are a sensitive subject I know, but if someone says that they want to be identified as a man, they should be.

If 'he' kept his internal organs and did not get a sex change, then he's still a woman (superficially or not). He can't from the outside look like a man w/o a penis.

What i don't understand is why couldn't they adopt, or get a surrogate? Doesn't this whole pregnancy thing negate the fact that this person wanted to be identified as a man.

To me, if you want to be identified as a man, then you should act like a man. Men don't get pregnant.

[DaemonSeid]

This still goes to show that women believe they still have the right to change their minds no matter what....and be right about it.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by epchick

If 'he' kept his internal organs and did not get a sex change, then he's still a woman (superficially or not). He can't from the outside look like a man w/o a penis.

What i don't understand is why couldn't they adopt, or get a surrogate? Doesn't this whole pregnancy thing negate the fact that this person wanted to be identified as a man.

To me, if you want to be identified as a man, then you should act like a man. Men don't get pregnant.

From what I understood from the article, he did get gender reassignment surgery, however they left the internal organs, that is what I meant by superficially, he is a man.

Adopting is hard enough when you are simply gay, adoption agencies would make it nearly impossible for a transgendered person to adopt.

And the statement that men don't get pregnant, it isn't impossible biologically, theoretically a man could have an implanted pregnancy in the abdominal cavity, it would act like an ectopic pregnancy.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by kstar

From what I understood from the article, he did get gender reassignment surgery, however they left the internal organs, that is what I meant by superficially, he is a man.

Ok, wait...so if he received a penis, how were they able to inseminate "him?" And i'm going to guess its going to have to be a c-section, then. They still could have gotten a surrogate.

I understand the need people have for children, but this is just crazy. I feel bad for this child and what he/she might have to go through.

ETA: your comment about abdominal pregnancy--could be true. But ectopic pregnancies 99% of the time don't survive and can be fatal to the "mother." I hope that no doctor would ever perform that on a true man.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by kstar

He only kept the internal organs, superficially, he's a man. Gender issues are a sensitive subject I know, but if someone says that they want to be identified as a man, they should be.

I don't think I agree. I probably would refer to someone I knew in real life by whatever gender they asked me to mainly to be polite, but I don't know that taking hormones and maybe even having surgery really does change your sex in a way that the state should be obligated to recognize.

This "guy" is one example why. The state where he currently lives recognizes him as a man and he has a uterus and is pregnant. He's not a man by any sane standard, and I'm not sure they rest of us are obligated to play along because he thinks he feels like a man despite actually being biologically a women.

[SWTXBelle]

Is his "wife" unable to bear children? Did I miss that? Cause otherwise, why do this other than for the publicity.

eta - okay, found it. But still . . . I feel for this child. Poor thing will be famous for the rest of her life - for something she had nothing to do with.

[LightBulb]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

He's not a man by any sane standard

Not only is that inflammatory, but it also is a logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

despite actually being biologically a women.

Debatable.

[ZTABullwinkle]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

If this person is pumped full of artificial hormones in order to have male-characteristics and be legally "a man", I wonder what the health of the baby will be, being exposed to all of these unnatural hormone levels? Weird.

Eta: I say this because I read a book called "All She Wanted", by Aphrodite Jones, which was the story of Teena Brandon (i.e. the "Boys Don't Cry" movie). When Teena's Mom was pregnant with her, the Mom did take a short course of some type of hormone therapy (I can't remember what for...) and I'm convinced that the fetus of Teena being exposed to that adversely affected her.

I have to wonder also what effect those hormones will have on the first baby. According to what I have read, "he" did not go back on the hormones after the birth of the first baby. If so, how is it he still have facial hair?

Personally, I feel sorry for the children of this couple. Can you imagine the ridicule they are going to face growing up?