Joe Horn

Kevlar281 · #1 12-03-2007, 03:29 PM

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11/26/07 - A man who told police he planned to kill two men he believed were burglarizing his neighbor's house shot them only when they came on his property and he felt threatened, his attorney said on Monday.

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11/29/07 - As the Pasadena Police Department continues to investigate a homeowner who shot and killed two men he saw allegedly burglarizing a neighbor's home, loved ones of the dead men gathered Wednesday to demand the shooter be prosecuted.

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12/03/07 - Protesters critical of a homeowner who fatally shot two suspected burglars were confronted by hundreds of the man's supporters during a rally on the street where the killings occurred. Yard signs declaring support for Joe Horn, 61, lined nearby streets.

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DGTess · #2 12-03-2007, 07:43 PM

In what state is it legal to shoot for property in someone else's home?

nittanyalum · #3 12-03-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess

In what state is it legal to shoot for property in someone else's home?

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"Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In limited circumstances, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.
The question will be whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University.
"That's what makes it so hard and that's why we have juries," Moss said."

DaemonSeid · #4 12-03-2007, 08:14 PM

Whew..I thought it was Joe Horn, the football player.

You go Joe...I wished you lived next door to me when my house got robbed 2 years ago.....

"Horn's supporters parked motorcycles along the block Sunday and jeered protesters who called for Horn to be prosecuted. The supporters waved American flags and hoisted signs reading, "We love our neighbor for protecting our neighbors" and "Burglary is a risky business." "

and if you think that's crazy...see what breaking into someone's home for marijuana will get you:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...r_N.htm?csp=34

sigmadiva · #5 12-04-2007, 02:20 PM

I'm here in Houston where it happpend and we get almost hourly updates on this case.

The issue I think is not so much about race, but as a citizen protecting property, did he cross the line? From the 911 call, he did not seem to be directly threatened by the men and when cautioned by the 911 operator not to shoot, he still shot anyway.

I think in a legal sense Joe Horn was wrong because he did not have to do it, but morally he was protecting his neighbor.

DaemonSeid · #6 12-04-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'm here in Houston where it happpend and we get almost hourly updates on this case.

The issue I think is not so much about race, but as a citizen protecting property, did he cross the line? From the 911 call, he did not seem to be directly threatened by the men and when cautioned by the 911 operator not to shoot, he still shot anyway.

I think in a legal sense Joe Horn was wrong because he did not have to do it, but morally he was protecting his neighbor.

I so agree...he was instructed by the 911 ops NOT TO SHOOT....he never came to harm, his life was never threatened.

The most he should have done was put down th gun and shoot with a camera.

The cops arrived right when the suspects were fleeing the scene, they probably could have caught them

madmax · #7 07-01-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum

From this article:

"Texas law allows people to use ly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In limited circumstances, people also can use ly force to protect their neighbor's property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.
The question will be whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to no matter what, said Fred Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University.
"That's what makes it so hard and that's why we have juries," Moss said."

Joe Horn is a redneck and he belongs in jail. It was obvious from the 911 call that Horn planned on $hooting the burglars. Horn was not in any danger. The burglars were shot in the back.

PhiGam · #8 07-01-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by madmax

Joe Horn is a redneck and he belongs in jail. It was obvious from the 911 call that Horn planned on the burglars. Horn was not in any danger. The burglars were shot in the back.

This is everything thats wrong with America. How can you honestly sympathize with these criminals? It would take a "redneck" to care enough about your neighbors to risk your life for them. He even says that he barely knows them. The man is a hero, not a villain.
Whatever, have fun voting for Obama, hippie.

madmax · #9 07-02-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

This is everything thats wrong with America. How can you honestly sympathize with these criminals? It would take a "redneck" to care enough about your neighbors to risk your life for them. He even says that he barely knows them. The man is a hero, not a villain.
Whatever, have fun voting for Obama, hippie.

Sympathize? If you want to call it that, then I sympathize because I am not a redneck from Texas. If someone steals a "TV" or whatever they stole they should get the standard punishemt for stealing a TV. I would guess the standard punishment would involve jail. Getting shot in the back is excessive.

ZTAngel · #10 12-05-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess

In what state is it legal to shoot for property in someone else's home?

I'm pretty certain it's legal in Florida as well. If you're trespassing and the homeowner feels that you're a threat, the homeowner can use deadly force.

Tom Earp · #11 12-05-2007, 03:05 PM

Yea Joe!

Maybe it will put a stop to a lot of things!!!!!

Kevin · #12 12-05-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess

In what state is it legal to shoot for property in someone else's home?

Clearly, Texas.

PeppyGPhiB · #13 12-05-2007, 03:52 PM

What if this guy, or someone else in a similar situation, shot someone who was supposed to be at the house, just not known to the shooter? What if it was a family member, or a friend that wanted to get his tools back after the neighbor borrowed them? What if it was dark outside and the shooter couldn't even see who it was?

I'm thinking of all the times I've gone over to my family's house at night when they've been out of town. I'm glad my family doesn't have a psycho neighbor that fires his gun at just anyone he doesn't know that's on someone else's property!

DaemonSeid · #14 12-05-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

What if this guy, or someone else in a similar situation, shot someone who was supposed to be at the house, just not known to the shooter? What if it was a family member, or a friend that wanted to get his tools back after the neighbor borrowed them? What if it was dark outside and the shooter couldn't even see who it was?

I'm thinking of all the times I've gone over to my family's house at night when they've been out of town. I'm glad my family doesn't have a psycho neighbor that fires his gun at just anyone he doesn't know that's on someone else's property!

I think judging from the tone of the 911 call...it was clear (wasn't it?) that the guys were robbing the house...and the fact that they ran from a guy wielding a shotgun was even more evident.

PeppyGPhiB · #15 12-05-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I think judging from the tone of the 911 call...it was clear (wasn't it?) that the guys were robbing the house...and the fact that they ran from a guy wielding a shotgun was even more evident.

But what if it wasn't clear? We're telling people to use their own discretion when determining whether it's OK to shoot at someone who's not even a threat?

Some people have said here that the guy was protecting his neighbor, but I don't see that at all. He was, at most, protecting his neighbor's "stuff" which is not enough cause in my mind to shoot someone. In other words, I'm saying the law in this case is idiotic. But I think we all probably get what really happened here - the guy was pissed off and wasn't going to let the robbers get away with anything...not on his block!

And if the guys were running away from him, all the more proof to me that he was not in any danger.

Don't get me wrong, if someone was in my house that I didn't know, they better watch out. But our laws shouldn't permit people to just shoot other people they see breaking the law.