Suicide?

RazorbackMom · #1 09-15-2007, 01:34 PM

Anybody know of a girl who suicided and got a bid from the chapter she wanted?

Benzgirl · #2 09-15-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RazorbackMom

Anybody know of a girl who suicided and got a bid from the chapter she wanted?

Yes.

princessjv · #3 09-15-2007, 01:59 PM

several.

KSUViolet06 · #4 09-15-2007, 02:53 PM

It does happen. It wasn't the norm, but it did happen. Like, if there were 5 girls who "suicided" (the Panhellenic term for it is intentional single preference or ISP), maybe 2 of them would get a bid. Keep in mind that my school has a relatively small Greek system.

I think "suiciding" and getting a bid is more likely to happen in a smaller recruitment than it is at somwhere in the SEC like LSU or Bama. That's why most schools will advise girls against it, because it's risky. You have one chance (as opposed to 2 or 3) to get bid. If you're not high enough on that one group's bid list, you don't get a bid.

thetaprincess · #5 09-15-2007, 09:48 PM

Yes I did

violetpretty · #6 09-15-2007, 09:55 PM

Yes. I know several people who suicided and got what they wanted. I also know people who suicided and ended up unmatched. It just depends where you are on the chapter's list.

honeychile · #7 09-15-2007, 09:56 PM

Yes, but it's a HUGE chance.

If the PNM does so, and doesn't get the bid, doesn't she have to wait until the next Formal Rush?

melaxid · #8 09-15-2007, 10:21 PM

She doesn't have to wait for a year. The wait applies if a woman is matched but declines her bid.

At a chapter where groups are not close to total (i.e. even if you add quota to the current membership, they are not at total) ISP can get you a bid. However, if quota is high, or groups are close to total it is VERY risky (hence the more common term- suicide)

that being said, it all depends on the campus. It is really best to keep an OPEN mind during recruitment and be open to membership is more than one group. There are great opportunities in each group to be had.

UGAalum94 · #9 09-15-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by melaxid

She doesn't have to wait for a year. The wait applies if a woman is matched but declines her bid.

At a chapter where groups are not close to total (i.e. even if you add quota to the current membership, they are not at total) ISP can get you a bid. However, if quota is high, or groups are close to total it is VERY risky (hence the more common term- suicide)

that being said, it all depends on the campus. It is really best to keep an OPEN mind during recruitment and be open to membership is more than one group. There are great opportunities in each group to be had.

I'm not second guessing you; I just don't understand:

What's the relationship to total got to do with it? Are you considering that even if she doesn't match in formal that she'll get a COB? Or is there something else about that?

melaxid · #10 09-15-2007, 11:52 PM

On a campus where even filling quota leaves openings to reach total, women who do not match via formal recruitment (usually due to an intentional single preference) will be picked up via cob.

I have seen this happen a lot as the chapter I initiated at, and the chapter I served as advisor had this situation on their campuses- groups not near total, so even after quota was met via Formal Recruitment, there was a need to cob to reach total.

**note on these campuses total should be lowered by panhellenic to help grow all groups, unfortunately what typically ends up happening is the strong groups get stronger and the smaller groups struggle. It all depends on the panhellenic spirit of the campus, and the greek leadership.

KSUViolet06 · #11 09-15-2007, 11:58 PM

^^^ I see what you're saying, your school's greek system was small enough that girls who "suicided" and didn't get bids still had the chance to be picked up via COB because not everyone met total even after matching quota during formal recruitment.

melaxid · #12 09-15-2007, 11:59 PM

exactly.

it all depends on the campus and group sizes and such.

SoCalGirl · #13 09-16-2007, 12:20 AM

I could probably figure it out if I thought about it; but, doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

KSUViolet06 · #14 09-16-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

Exactly. You have the same chance of getting a bid to your top choice as anyone else who put them 1st.

The only difference is that you are at more of a risk for not getting a bid AT ALL because if you don't match there, you have no 2nd or 3rd choice listed. So if you don't match with your #1, you get released from recruitment entirely.

This is why schools advise girls not to do it, because they know that you lower your chances of getting a bid by doing so.

AOII Angel · #15 09-19-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I could probably figure it out if I thought about it; but, doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

You are correct. You have the same chance of anyone else to get your first (and only choice.) I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time. If you are high on your chapter's of choice list, you will get a bid. The computer does not penalize you and drop you to the bottom or any other such nonsense. The issue is that if you can at all see yourself in another group, list them so that you have a lower chance of walking away empty handed at the end of recruitment!