The other ΣAE

[blackvalentino]

Hi just call me Valentino, I'm from the Philippines. I'm a member of ΣAE Philippines est. 1966.

No, we're not related with ΣAE USA est. 1856. Although we have a lot in common, like having 8 founders, having the same day of foundation (9), and most importantly the same name. We already contacted them back in the 80's, and our leaders were discussing on a merge but no merge was agreed upon since we accept women in our organization, but we maintained friendship with them, those discussions were under the leadership of Kenneth D. Tracey(ΣAE USA) & our very own Dr. Publico & Dr. Illanes.

I am here to read and discuss about fraternities.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by blackvalentino

Hi just call me Valentino, I'm from the Philippines. I'm a member of ΣAE Philippines est. 1966.

No, we're not related with ΣAE USA est. 1856. Although we have a lot in common, like having 8 founders, having the same day of foundation (9), and most importantly the same name. We already contacted them back in the 80's, and our leaders were discussing on a merge but no merge was agreed upon since we accept women in our organization, but we maintained friendship with them, those discussions were under the leadership of Kenneth D. Tracey(ΣAE USA) & our very own Dr. Publico & Dr. Illanes.

I am here to read and discuss about fraternities.

[ASTalumna06]

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/announcement.php?f=90

[amIblue?]

So, I went to the website of SAE Phillipines, and their crest does not appear to be in any way similar to the US-based fraternity.

http://www.saephilippines.org/#aboutus

[naraht]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

So, I went to the website of SAE Phillipines, and their crest does not appear to be in any way similar to the US-based fraternity.

http://www.saephilippines.org/#aboutus

Yes, at the National level they've gotten more strict and as they make that more clear to their brothers, I hope things will get less annoying to SAE-USA.

[naraht]

There are a number of Philippines Fraternities with the same name as the US Fraternities. The relationship cover the entire range from recognized/started by US Brothers (Alpha Phi Omega) to the US group trying to actively trying to sue them out of existance. (Phi Beta Kappa/Alpha Tau Omega)

Sigma Alpha Epsilon of the Philippines at a National Level seems to be fairly consistent in using their logo (Large Eagle extending through a Circle landing on a triangle), but there is certainly work to be done..

For Sigma Alpha Epsilon Philippines, the name comes from Society of Agricultural Engineers. While I don't know (and don't want to know) why Sigma Alpha Epsilon USA chose that name, I do believe the brother who told me it wasn't Society of Agricultural Engineers (I'd be shocked if any NPC/NPHC/NIC group had a name that came from an English Phrase.)

In short, to Sigma Alpha Epsilon USA, there are Philippines groups with *worse* confusion in regards to using USA Symbols.

OTOH, to the Sigma Alpha Epsilon Philippines brothers. Yes, you represent yourself with the same Greek Letters. They don't mean the same thing and in addition to that there is *nothing* in your history that gives you any right to tie yourself to Sigma Alpha Epsilon of the United States. (So they had 8 founders like you, *shrug*)


As a follow-up having seen the attempted reachouts from the Philippines of both Alpha Sigma Phi -Philippines (which although one ASPhi-USA national president was interested) and Delta Upsilon -Philippines, it becomes *quite* clear to me that no Social Fraternity in the United States will ever attempt to make an international organization out of a group with the same name in the Philippines, the underlying concepts of how Fraternity life are just too different. (For example, it is completely foreign for an NIC fraternity to have any sort of underlying high school group affiliated with it. (The NPHC groups do, but they would be even less likely to affiliate than the NIC groups))

Is there the possibility that a professional GLO (or more likely an honorary) in the USA will welcome Philippines chapters, yes, but that's no where near the situation here...

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by naraht

(I'd be shocked if any NPC/NPHC/NIC group had a name that came from an English Phrase.)

I know of at least one that does, actually.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I know of at least one that does, actually.

OK, I'd be surprised if there were any NIC/NPC/NPHC GLOs whose names were from the initials of an English Phrase displayed prominently in their history.

[HQWest]

Hmm it may be urban legend picked up by some websites

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Hmm it may be urban legend picked up by some websites

Maybe, though I'd rarely rely on what I read in an unofficial website or source. Perhaps my memory is muddled and I'm confusing this with stories like the name Alpha Chi Omega being chosen because the founders thought it might be the "first and (Greek: kai) last" music sorority. I'll keep wracking my brain. Or perhaps I'm remembering a group or two that started with one name based on an English name or phrase, but later changed to a different name.

But in any event, I don't find it unthinkable at all that a GLO might chose letters based on an English phrase or English words and not shy away from telling outsiders about it, while at the same time the letters have deeper meaning known only to members.

[SOM]

Originally Posted by blackvalentino

Hi just call me Valentino, I'm from the Philippines. I'm a member of ΣAE Philippines est. 1966.

No, we're not related with ΣAE USA est. 1856. Although we have a lot in common, like having 8 founders, having the same day of foundation (9), and most importantly the same name. We already contacted them back in the 80's, and our leaders were discussing on a merge but no merge was agreed upon since we accept women in our organization, but we maintained friendship with them, those discussions were under the leadership of Kenneth D. Tracey(ΣAE USA) & our very own Dr. Publico & Dr. Illanes.

I am here to read and discuss about fraternities.

While YOUR National seems to have corrected SOME of the matters/issues that caused many problems and miss-understandings between the two UNRELATED groups, seems as if at least one rather important matter was not fully addressed. As far as I am aware of there has NOT been all too much, if any, "maintenance of friendships" for a rather long time. And what seems to still be a belief of YOURS still seems to be causing some confusion among YOUR Brothers as they still seem to be posting on Sigma Alpha Epsilon's social media sites.

[naraht]

A question to SAE-USA brothers, while I've found a bio of Kenneth Tracey (http://www.jrfco.com/Portals/4/docs/KenTraceyBio.pdf), Is he is still in a position to represent SAE-USA in that regard?

And from my experience with Alpha Phi Omega, even for a National Executive Director of a National Fraternity, getting their heads around just how different the Filipino Greek Culture is can take a while.