HELP!!!!!!!

[KoalaBear11]

I need help finding discrete challenges for my girls to do so they can bond, develop secrecy, and discipline while they are on line... all suggestions/ideas are welcome

[amIblue?]

Yeah, I think that's also known as hazing.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by KoalaBear11

I need help finding discrete challenges for my girls to do so they can bond, develop secrecy, and discipline while they are on line... all suggestions/ideas are welcome

I am assuming, but NPC rules probably don't apply in this situation. Using the term "on line" means NPHC. NPHC works differently.

[amIblue?]

I get that. Hazing remains hazing to me.

[DubaiSis]

I think there are a lot of things that are clearly hazing, but we've had plenty of discussions on these boards about things that are technically hazing that a lot of us did and called it FUN not hazing.

I think there are a lot of game type activities that can be done that maybe the NPC wouldn't allow (and in my opinion to its detriment) that the NPHC might. Murder mystery parties, scavenger hunts (minus any embarrassing or hurtful elements), team sports, trust exercises, problem solving tasks all would do these kinds of things. If you can do it at a corporate retreat, I would think it would be ok to do it with a line.

[amIblue?]

Yes, but games at a corporate retreat don't require developing secrecy, or discipline, for that matter. Neither do the scavenger hunts that I had fun with when I was a pledge. I now find it ridiculous that these kinds of things are labeled hazing.

It's the secrecy and discipline comments made by the op that I find worrisome. YMMV.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KoalaBear11

I need help finding discrete challenges for my girls to do so they can bond, develop secrecy, and discipline while they are on line... all suggestions/ideas are welcome

x + 24 + y = 32 - z

Define x, y and z.

[adpiucf]

OP, do not do anything secret. Everything should be in your new member plans and approved by your chapter, advisers, and any applicable national officers.

Yes, Greek Chatters, I realize this is not NPC. But I strongly doubt any NPHC sorority gives its new member coordinator or the equivalent carte blanche because of the potential for legal liability.

To summarize, OP, please don't do anything stupid that is not previously approved by your higher-ups. Do not do anything "secret." Consult your Greek Adviser for ideas of approved activities.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Yes, but games at a corporate retreat don't require developing secrecy, or discipline, for that matter. Neither do the scavenger hunts that I had fun with when I was a pledge. I now find it ridiculous that these kinds of things are labeled hazing.

It's the secrecy and discipline comments made by the op that I find worrisome. YMMV.

You can find it as ridiculous as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it is considered hazing. Also, the games at a corporate retreat are vetted because god forbid someone gets hurt and the corporation gets sued!

Originally Posted by 33girl

x + 24 + y = 32 - z

Define x, y and z.

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[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

You can find it as ridiculous as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it is considered hazing. Also, the games at a corporate retreat are vetted because god forbid someone gets hurt and the corporation gets sued!

No shit. Thank you for your condescension. I'll bear that in mind as I continue my career in risk management.

I am fully capable of intellectualizing the need to ban them while at the same time feeling that it's a shame that innocently intended fun has to be done away with.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

No shit. Thank you for your condescension. I'll bear that in mind as I continue my career in risk management.

I am fully capable of intellectualizing the need to ban them while at the same time feeling that it's a shame that innocently intended fun has to be done away with.

Olive branch extended: You didn't express it was a shame. You expressed that it was ridiculous, which would indicate that you don't see the potential for liability. Now you have clarified, I can see that we are on the same page. Yes, it is a shame that a few idiots have ruined what would be otherwise innocent activities.

Good luck with your career in risk management. I have no doubt you'll be extremely successful.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Olive branch extended: You didn't express it was a shame. You expressed that it was ridiculous, which would indicate that you don't see the potential for liability. Now you have clarified, I can see that we are on the same page. Yes, it is a shame that a few idiots have ruined what would be otherwise innocent activities.

Good luck with your career in risk management. I have no doubt you'll be extremely successful.

Sorry for the grouchiness.

[KoalaBear11]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

OP, do not do anything secret. Everything should be in your new member plans and approved by your chapter, advisers, and any applicable national officers.

Yes, Greek Chatters, I realize this is not NPC. But I strongly doubt any NPHC sorority gives its new member coordinator or the equivalent carte blanche because of the potential for legal liability.

To summarize, OP, please don't do anything stupid that is not previously approved by your higher-ups. Do not do anything "secret." Consult your Greek Adviser for ideas of approved activities.




You can find it as ridiculous as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it is considered hazing. Also, the games at a corporate retreat are vetted because god forbid someone gets hurt and the corporation gets sued!





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I think you misunderstood... My adviser knows everything lol so that's not an issue and we don't haze we just have time challenges and stuff or they wear whatever we say wear but yeah

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by KoalaBear11

I think you misunderstood... My adviser knows everything lol so that's not an issue and we don't haze we just have time challenges and stuff or they wear whatever we say wear but yeah

1. Just because your adviser "knows everything" doesn't mean that it's not hazing.

2. What are "time challenges"? What do they have to do?

3. What do you make them wear?

4. Are these activities mandatory? If so, what purposes do they serve?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

1. Just because your adviser "knows everything" doesn't mean that it's not hazing.

2. What are "time challenges"? What do they have to do?

3. What do you make them wear?

4. Are these activities mandatory? If so, what purposes do they serve?

Sounds a lot like hazing. If it smells funny...

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by KoalaBear11

I think you misunderstood... My adviser knows everything lol so that's not an issue and we don't haze we just have time challenges and stuff or they wear whatever we say wear but yeah

I did not misunderstand. I think you misunderstand the current definition of hazing. It's very important to get a good understanding of the general definition and what activities are not allowed. As a general rule, doing anything "secret" that isn't part of your official ritual can be construed as hazing by most organizations.

First of all, those activities you have described are hazing. Time challenges and requiring members to wear specific clothing different from actives has been found to be hazing by many organizations and universities. If you're looking to inspire sisterhood, there are a number of ice breakers, craft projects, and group outings you can plan.

I don't know what "time challenges" means to you, but I assume you're talking about giving them x amount of time to complete y objective. No. This is not allowed. Your new members are not required to do anything to "prove" their membership or worth that are not set by your nationals. Anything else can be viewed by your university or your sorority as hazing. You can't have a scavenger hunt.

You can't make your new members dress in costumes, wear the same clothes every day, all wear the same color, wear a ribbon in their hair, etc. You can require them to wear their new member pin to meetings and to dress in pin attire, but that's pretty much it, and that pin requirement is also expected of initiated members. You can't make them do anything you are not requiring of an active sister.

Second of all, if your adviser knows everything, those plans should have already been approved and in place. Please consult with your organization for approved activities. Do not conduct anything in secret that is not an approved sorority ritual to avoid any appearance of hazing or impropriety. Your organization has worked very hard to build its image, as have its sister organizations. Flagrantly going against the rules undermines their work and credibility. Please treat your new members with respect. They are not children; they are adults who have committed themselves to becoming a part of your organization through approved new member education.

Here are some ideas for sisterhood activities: Plan a sisterhood sleepover or dinner or social. Plan an arts and craft project. Plan a philanthropy event that all the bigs and littles can do together to bond. Invite them to join you for a girls night out. Basically, treat them like the adults they are and respect your sorority's secrecy as it pertains to rituals and don't pollute it with "secret" activities and singling the new members out above of their approved new member education plans.