Parts of a woman in a suitcase

[AGDee]

I doubt this has made national news yet but this has me totally freaked out. This happened about 1/4 mile from my kids' high school. Police are saying they believe it was a stranger who did this, not the boyfriend or brother. I have warned hypoallergenic (haha.. I can refer to her as her GC name now) to call/text me when she's leaving somewhere and when she arrives at her destination. I have warned her that if her car breaks down or someone hits her to lock the car doors, roll up the windows and call 911. Warning her and her friends to not let someone walk alone or bike alone anywhere, to stay in groups.

This has me FREAKED out. The city where this happened is a sleepy little town of 5000 with extremely little crime.


http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...s-in-gibraltar

[PM_Mama00]

I know too many people who live within a block from there. (not to mention my fave Mexican restaurant) If it was a stranger it had to have been brought on by her.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

If it was a stranger it had to have been brought on by her.

I hope that I am reading this wrong and that you are not blaming the victim for the actions of someone else. Please clarify.

Dee- I watched the video, but obviously do not live in your region of the country. Has there been an explanation as to how/why it was the brother who happened upon the suitcase and just happened to have opened it?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I know too many people who live within a block from there. (not to mention my fave Mexican restaurant) If it was a stranger it had to have been brought on by her.

Since you have not provided an alternate explanation for your comments:

Go fuck yourself, you victim-blaming asshole.


/these comments to be revised should an alternate explanation actually arise.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by MomofPNM11

PM_Mama00, please explain your comment. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply the murder victim caused her own death. She had a broken ankle which may have made her an easy target. Is that what you meant?

Blondie93, I believe the brother was searching for his missing sister in the river behind her condo when he found the suitcase.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Since you have not provided an alternate explanation for your comments:

Go fuck yourself, you victim-blaming asshole.


/these comments to be revised should an alternate explanation actually arise.

My first explanation will be toward Drolefille... I work M-F, and I'm gone between 7am-7pm. My Saturdays aren't used to sit on Greekchat. I'm not a coward like some posters on this board.

Dee knows my feelings on this story. People from our area have been discussing it on FB.

MomofPNM- Thank you for not being an assuming dumbass.

Yes, I should have elaborated but didn't get a chance seeing as how I had to run out to errands and hit the button quickly. Didn't think I'd get THAT response. I'm not blaming her, but because of how our community is, if it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.

I have strong feelings that it was the brother. People who were boating in the creek alerted him to the suitcase... which I find weird because where are these people now? The brother is the one who opened to the suitcase to find her. He also did an interview with a local news station and seemed rather calm. I find this all very odd, because if I found ANY body in a suitcase I'd be a basket case. Dee had explanations for why he may have been calm. I still get a weird vibe.

Thursday night and Friday morning were a little nerve-wracking, as we didn't get a name or picture till later Friday. When something this close happens, in a community where about 60-70% of people spread within 5-8 cities/townships know each other, you wonder if it was someone you knew. One of my best friends' parents live right there and you think the worst but hope the best. I really hope they find out who her killer/s is/are. This is a gruesome situation.

[SydneyK]

What an awful story. So sad and gruesome.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'm not blaming her, but because of how our community is, if it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.

(bold emphasis mine)
I want to think the best here, but it still sounds like you're blaming her. Kinda how someone says 'No offense, but' just before saying something they know is offensive.
Just because a particular murder isn't random, it doesn't mean it was brought on by the victim.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

What an awful story. So sad and gruesome.


(bold emphasis mine)
I want to think the best here, but it still sounds like you're blaming her. Kinda how someone says 'No offense, but' just before saying something they know is offensive.
Just because a particular murder isn't random, it doesn't mean it was brought on by the victim.

Ok let's bring this back to high school composition classes since we're going to pick apart people's words and try to analyze them, and give our own interpretations.

There is no "No offense, but". My point is that I am NOT... NOT... blaming her AT ALL. (I can bold too) If it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.(Yep I copy and pasted that because I don't feel like retyping everything out)

This is not saying that it is her fault. Is it a girl's fault that she was raped while on a date? No. Is it my friend from high school's fault that she married a "To catch a predator" kinda guy? No. It happens.... IN OUR COMMUNITY.... and it doesn't have to be the girl's fault. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY "BROUGHT ON BY HER".

Just so everyone knows, I have plans tonight. So if you have more to pick apart and I don't answer, it's not because I can't verify my post or what I meant, it's because I have a life.

[MomofPNM11]

PM_Mama00, please explain your comment. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply the murder victim caused her own death. She had a broken ankle which may have made her an easy target. Is that what you meant?

Blondie93, I believe the brother was searching for his missing sister in the river behind her condo when he found the suitcase.

[AZTheta]

Again I will recommend Gavin DeBecker's book, The Gift of Fear. I learned so much about how to be aware of my surroundings, how to protect myself, etc. Ted Bundy was skillful in the way that he lured his victims into his web. You just never know.

[SigKapSweetie]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

Again I will recommend Gavin DeBecker's book, The Gift of Fear. I learned so much about how to be aware of my surroundings, how to protect myself, etc. Ted Bundy was skillful in the way that he lured his victims into his web. You just never know.

I LOVE this book and recommend it to everyone I know. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

[AGDee]

They had reported her missing to police on Monday night. Then her brother was going door to door with her driver's license to see if anybody had seen her. One of the people he talked to called him later to tell him there was a suitcase in the creek. The brother went and got the suitcase and opened it and then called police. I know PM_Mama thinks the brother did it but I'm not so sure. The police appear pretty confident that it was a stranger.

The brother was really calm in the video but I've seen my brother like that too. After my mom died, I was an emotional basketcase and my brother was Mr. Professional, handling everything and only breaking down in private. That's why I think the brother could have maintained his cool on camera. That's how some people roll.

While I can't speak for PM_Mama, I think everybody around here was hoping the body found initially was someone from Detroit who just happened to get dumped here or something. We don't WANT to believe that someone local has done this. That said, it's only a couple miles from I-75 and it's a secluded area so it could have been someone who stopped in the area and not someone who actually lives around here. We don't want to believe that someone who lives around here is capable of this. I know I don't.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

While I can't speak for PM_Mama, I think everybody around here was hoping the body found initially was someone from Detroit who just happened to get dumped here or something. We don't WANT to believe that someone local has done this. That said, it's only a couple miles from I-75 and it's a secluded area so it could have been someone who stopped in the area and not someone who actually lives around here. We don't want to believe that someone who lives around here is capable of this. I know I don't.

I get that. That makes a lot of sense, really as a coping skill, but it doesn't make it true, unforunately. And in the process of trying to remove the killer from the general population PM_Mama really did imply at least some level of blame, if only a bare minimum of "she brought him into the community."

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by AGDee

They had reported her missing to police on Monday night. .... That's why I think the brother could have maintained his cool on camera. That's how some people roll.

While I can't speak for PM_Mama, I think everybody around here was hoping the body found initially was someone from Detroit who just happened to get dumped here or something. We don't WANT to believe that someone local has done this. That said, it's only a couple miles from I-75 and it's a secluded area so it could have been someone who stopped in the area and not someone who actually lives around here. We don't want to believe that someone who lives around here is capable of this. I know I don't.

While I generally always enjoy your posts and your reasoning behind them, I found the bolded sentence odd. I don't think you meant to imply that the murder/death would have been any less tragic had it was someone from Detroit, did you?

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

While I generally always enjoy your posts and your reasoning behind them, I found the bolded sentence odd. I don't think you meant to imply that the murder/death would have been any less tragic had it was someone from Detroit, did you?

It would affect the fear factor in a different way. This is a town with a population of 5000 and the woman was found in a creek immediately behind her condo. That makes for a very fearful community. It wouldn't have been less tragic, but it wouldn't have instilled the kind of fear that this has. We wouldn't have been as worried about our teenager daughters going to school 1/4 mile down the street. We wouldn't be as afraid for ourselves.

It is tragic either way, but when you know there was a murderer who could do this in your own backyard, it's more unsettling. I think we all tend to have a sense of security in our neighborhood, even if it's not well founded in statistics. In this instance though, it IS founded in statistics. This is the fourth homicide in this city in the history of the city, which was founded in 1837.

So, we expect murders in Detroit. We don't expect them in Gibraltar. It doesn't make the murder any less tragic. It does affect how afraid we are.

ETA: PM_Mama: She is from Wayne originally.

Whoever did this really didn't want her to be able to be identified. Reports are now saying that not only were her head and hands missing to make identifying her more difficult but her tattoos were removed also. Given all of that, I am more convinced that it was not the brother because he is the one who told the police that it was her. If he didn't want her identified, he could have taken that suitcase and tossed it into the Detroit River with some cement and it would never have been found.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

While I generally always enjoy your posts and your reasoning behind them, I found the bolded sentence odd. I don't think you meant to imply that the murder/death would have been any less tragic had it was someone from Detroit, did you?

One of my sands is a Detroit Police officer (SWAT) and he told me on average there's about 8 murders in Detroit/day...to the point most of it doesn't even make the news. He sees these types of (dismembered body) murders often. Outside of Detroit, it's not very common.

ETA: With the exception of Flint, which in some areas is worse than Detroit.