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08-17-2010, 08:27 AM
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Israeli soldier post pics of herself and Palestinian prisoners on where? FACEBOOK
JERUSALEM A former Israeli soldier posted photos on Facebook of herself in uniform smiling beside bound and blindfolded Palestinian prisoners, drawing sharp criticism Monday from the Israeli military and Palestinian officials.
Israeli news websites and blogs showed two photographs of the woman. In one, she is sitting legs crossed beside a blindfolded Palestinian man who is slumped against a concrete barrier. His face is turned downwards, while she leans toward him with her face upturned. Another shows her smiling at the camera with three Palestinian men with bound hands and blindfolds behind her.
The incident was a reminder of the fraught relations between Israeli soldiers and the West Bank Palestinians under their control.
Israeli soldiers have run into trouble on the social media sites like Facebook and YouTube before. Most recently a group of combat soldiers were reprimanded for breaking into choreographed dance moves while on patrol in the West Bank town of Hebron. The dance featured prominently on YouTube.
Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib condemned the photos and said they pointed to a deeper malaise how Israel's 43-year-old occupation of Palestinians has affected the Israelis who enforce it.
"This shows the mentality of the occupier," Khatib said, "to be proud of humiliating Palestinians. The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting."
The Israeli military also criticized the young woman, who Israeli news media and bloggers identified from her Facebook page as Eden Aberjil of the southern Israeli port town of Ashdod. No official confirmed her identity.
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08-17-2010, 08:33 AM
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I really don't want to get into the Israeli-Palestinian debate. But soldiers do stupid shit. This was stupid shit. She should be punished for stupid shit.
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08-17-2010, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
I really don't want to get into the Israeli-Palestinian debate. But soldiers do stupid shit. This was stupid shit. She should be punished for stupid shit.
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She can't be court-martialed as she has already served her time and been discharged. AFAIK, the Israeli military can't change the status of a discharge ie honorable to "other-than" or "dis"
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08-17-2010, 08:35 AM
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Dumb bitch.
On another note, she looks like a couple of women I know who are not Middle Eastern.
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08-17-2010, 12:52 PM
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Dumb bitch.
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my sentiments exactly.
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On another note, she looks like a couple of women I know who are not Middle Eastern.
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she looks Latina to me. esp with those sharpie looking eyebrows. lol.
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08-17-2010, 12:57 PM
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I'm still stuck on the fact that Israel allows women to be soldiers at all. I didn't think they were that (relatively) progressive.
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08-17-2010, 01:02 PM
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I'm still stuck on the fact that Israel allows women to be soldiers at all. I didn't think they were that (relatively) progressive.
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I believe both men and women serve at 18 (they're drafted, unless they get an exemption). IIRC men serve 3 years and women 2.
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08-17-2010, 01:16 PM
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I'm still stuck on the fact that Israel allows women to be soldiers at all. I didn't think they were that (relatively) progressive.
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Women actually served on the battle lines back in the 40s, when there was a shortage of soldiers during a war. For a few decades, most of the jobs were largely administrative/support jobs like secretaries, nurses, etc., but since the 1990s, women have been actively serving as soldiers and now in roles of authority. They do have shorter time commitments, and more paths to retirement, but formerly active-duty members are required to serve in a reserve-type role once a year for a period of time.
(My sister used to do aerobics taught by a former female Israeli solider. It was the hardest workouts she ever did.)
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08-17-2010, 01:19 PM
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My impression from several friends who lived in Israel is that it's a very progressive country. I've never been, so I can't say first hand.
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08-17-2010, 01:31 PM
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This is going to get Photoshopped and captioned SO many times.
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I was thinking the same thing.
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she looks Latina to me. esp with those sharpie looking eyebrows. lol.
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I'm so mad that I agree with you. lol
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08-17-2010, 02:10 PM
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My impression from several friends who lived in Israel is that it's a very progressive country. I've never been, so I can't say first hand.
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My impression is progressive in some ways, but oppressive in others (and to others.)
Mostly having women serve is about necessity not about equality. Women serve less mandatory time then men.
However should we ever return to the draft, I think men and women should both be drafted. Me included should I meet the other requirements.
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08-27-2010, 10:57 AM
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I won't disagree that it was stupid on her part. However, I have to question why we hold Israel to a much higher standard than the Muslim world, or anyone else for that matter.
Remember, the Iraqis celebrated by hanging the multilated, burned corpses of Americans off a bridge in Fallujah and the world didn't even flinch! This female IDF solider smiles with "live" blindfolded soliders and you never hear the end of it.
Women in the IDF serve side-by-side with their male counterparts, particularly in combat and border troops. My nephew served with the Oketz Unit (dog unit) and we later learned his unit was one of the first in Gaza with their bomb sniffing dogs.
And to the another poster who thought that Jerusalem isn't as progressive as Tel Aviv, it is, it's an international city where Jews, Christians and Arabs co-exist in contiguous neighborhoods. There are discos, restaurants etc, and it's like many other metro cities. People have this idea due to a small orthodox Jewish population that the entire city is like the Mea Sharim neighborhood, when it's not. Israel is more secular than it is religious.
Here's a fun video of Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ULtg...eature=related
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08-27-2010, 12:18 PM
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And to the another poster who thought that Jerusalem isn't as progressive as Tel Aviv, it is, it's an international city where Jews, Christians and Arabs co-exist in contiguous neighborhoods. There are discos, restaurants etc, and it's like many other metro cities. People have this idea due to a small orthodox Jewish population that the entire city is like the Mea Sharim neighborhood, when it's not. Israel is more secular than it is religious.
Here's a fun video of Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ULtglogZbR8&feature=related
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I haven't been to the homeland yet  Also, that video is the cutest thing ever! Love it!
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08-27-2010, 02:59 PM
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I haven't been to the homeland yet Also, that video is the cutest thing ever! Love it!
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You should go if you get the chance, many people feel an incredible connection between the neshama and the land. You might like this video too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=iTXi...eature=related
Last edited by Chocoholic; 08-27-2010 at 07:04 PM.
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08-27-2010, 01:58 PM
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I won't disagree that it was stupid on her part. However, I have to question why we hold Israel to a much higher standard than the Muslim world, or anyone else for that matter.
Remember, the Iraqis celebrated by hanging the multilated, burned corpses of Americans off a bridge in Fallujah and the world didn't even flinch! This female IDF solider smiles with "live" blindfolded soliders and you never hear the end of it.
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They claim the moral high ground, we back them in part because of it, therefore they should live up to it. If they'd rather be compared with and treated like those Iraqis, then they can choose that route instead.
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