American University date rape column angers students

[Senusret I]

American University students are demanding that the campus newspaper fire one of its columnists and issue an apology after publishing a column Monday that called date rape "an incoherent concept."

The column in The Eagle newspaper was written by Alex Knepper, 20, a sophomore political science major. Knepper wrote that a woman who attends a fraternity party, drinks more than five glasses of alcohol and follows a guy to his room is indicating that she is willing to have sex and should not "cry date rape" the next morning.


Knepper, who is openly gay, often writes on topics that infuriate students and hopes to someday be a political commentator. In an interview Monday he said that "real rape," which occurs when a stranger "thrusts sex into a non-sexual situation," is a heinous crime and rapists should be severely punished.



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[DrPhil]

Another underinformed and undereducated attention whore who confuses TRYING to offend people with being a worthy, "in your face" commentator on life.

He will go away once people stop giving a shit about his existence.

[sceniczip]

Part of me says freedom of the press. The other part says even if you have freedom of the press that doesn't make it ethically right to print it. We just had this argument in my editing class about the differences between what you can legally print and what you should print.

Either way, I completely disagree with what he said and I would be really pissed if our campus newspaper printed like that. Does he really believe if you're drunk and you go to a room with a guy that means you're instantly going to have sex with him?

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by sceniczip

Part of me says freedom of the press. The other part says even if you have freedom of the press that doesn't make it ethically right to print it. We just had this argument in my editing class about the differences between what you can legally print and what you should print.

Either way, I completely disagree with what he said and I would be really pissed if our campus newspaper printed like that. Does he really believe if you're drunk and you go to a room with a guy that means you're instantly going to have sex with him?

Guys only go to parties to look for girls to have sex with. If you go back to his room willingly, people will assume that you want to have sex with him. Do you usually get drunk and go back with guys to their room just to hang out or talk about your classes?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Guys only go to parties to look for girls to have sex with. If you go back to his room willingly, people will assume that you want to have sex with him. Do you usually get drunk and go back with guys to their room just to hang out or talk about your classes?

Men are not animals.

Has every man on this board gone all the way with every woman and/or man that they THOUGHT they would go all the way with? If she and/or he suddenly said NO, did any of you just TAKE IT because you needed to bust a nut? Have any men on this board ever had someone TAKE sex from them despite the fact that you said NO (yes, men can also be sexually assaulted and raped)?

I have always been 100% against underaged drinking (except for when cultures incorporate mild drinking in familial activities) and especially underaged binge drinking. If college students are so uncontrollable and basically walking around with their penises and vaginas hanging out waiting for a mindless fuck, THAT is the issue that should be addressed. Don't hide that issue under "date rape."

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Another underinformed and undereducated attention whore who confuses TRYING to offend people with being a worthy, "in your face" commentator on life.

He will go away once people stop giving a shit about his existence.

E-mail him saying "MMITY?"


Screw him. Make him watch Descent if that's how he really feels. If he can see an uncensored date rape from start to finish and still say a woman "deserves" or "asks for it.......

I agree that many young women put themselves in positions they don't need to be in and that a handful of them falsely report a rape because of embarrassment, hurt feelings, etc. That does NOT give anyone the right to make a blanket insinuation about all young women's intentions who walk into that situation. "It’s not clear enough to merely speak of consent, because the lines of consent in sex — especially anonymous sex — can become very blurry."--->Yeah, okay, but being drunk and walking into a bedroom =/= giving sexual consent. Even if she gave consent, I don't if you and little Jimmy are half-way undressed--if she revokes said consent at ANY point, then game over. Period. The same for the reverse since we're being gender equal.

Honestly, if the news staff fires him, he'll just cry foul per Amendment 1. Then he'll probably start a blog and become even more famous. The fool won't shut up either way.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Men are not animals.

Has every man on this board gone all the way with every woman and/or man that they THOUGHT they would go all the way with? If she and/or he suddenly said NO, did any of you just TAKE IT because you needed to bust a nut?

NO, oh my god. I wouldn't rape someone who suddenly said no. I know, because it's happened. And I was surprised. It was her time of the month. I didn't really care if her un-used eggs and uterine lining got on my penis, but she didn't like the idea. We ended up hooking up later and actually dating for awhile.

But that doesn't change the fact that entire reason I was at the party was to get laid.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

So at the next frat party, if he downs 6 beers then heads into the back room with a guy claiming he wants to show him his new "laptop," he doesn't get to cry foul in the morning when he's hungover and his butt hurts.

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

It was her time of the month. I didn't really care if her un-used eggs and uterine lining got on my penis, but she didn't like the idea.

LOL.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Another underinformed and undereducated attention whore who confuses TRYING to offend people with being a worthy, "in your face" commentator on life.

He will go away once people stop giving a shit about his existence.

@ the bolded...that is all.

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Guys only go to parties to look for girls to have sex with. If you go back to his room willingly, people will assume that you want to have sex with him.

that is a crock of shit. wait...i take that back. its a crock of shit for decent men who aren't pigs.

as for the second sentence....i think it's an unfortunate reality that many people fail to realize at first in college...it does seem that many men expect that if you go back to their room, that you DO want to have sex with them, when this may not be the case. but even if that was the woman's intention- once she no longer gives you consent, everything should end there.

[sceniczip]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Guys only go to parties to look for girls to have sex with. If you go back to his room willingly, people will assume that you want to have sex with him. Do you usually get drunk and go back with guys to their room just to hang out or talk about your classes?

I've never gone back to someone's room at a party other than my boyfriend's room. However, even when going to bf's room at a party they're hosting doesn't mean we're going to have sex. It means I don't want to be in the party any longer.

I do know girls who go into a male friend's room to lay down or who spend the night there without having sex. I have a very good friend who usually spends the night with one of our close male friends when his house hosts a party. They've never had sex, she just lives about 20 minutes away from him so doesn't go home when drinking.

Also, all guys don't just go to parties to find girls to have sex with. Sorry not buying that for a minute. Maybe some guys do, maybe most guys do, but not all of them.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by sceniczip

I've never gone back to someone's room at a party other than my boyfriend's room. However, even when going to bf's room at a party they're hosting doesn't mean we're going to have sex. It means I don't want to be in the party any longer.

I do know girls who go into a male friend's room to lay down or who spend the night there without having sex. I have a very good friend who usually spends the night with one of our close male friends when his house hosts a party. They've never had sex, she just lives about 20 minutes away from him so doesn't go home when drinking.

Also, all guys don't just go to parties to find girls to have sex with. Sorry not buying that for a minute. Maybe some guys do, maybe most guys do, but not all of them.

Those are your FRIENDS though, right? Not random guys you meet.

I'm not saying every random guy is going to try force himself on you, or that you owe him any sex just because you want to leave the party at the same time, but if you are talking for any length of time with him, and you leave together, and then you go to his room, he is thinking "alright! I'm gonna get some!" He is not thinking "Alright! This girl is going to like my collection of jazz records so we can compare our thoughts on the diz and getz collaborations."

Seriously. The vast majority of people go out to parties, and bars, etc. in order to meet someone and hook up. That's why their called "parties."
Otherwise, they'd be called "meetings."

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Those are your FRIENDS though, right? Not random guys you meet.

I'm not saying every random guy is going to try force himself on you, or that you owe him any sex just because you want to leave the party at the same time, but if you are talking for any length of time with him, and you leave together, and then you go to his room, he is thinking "alright! I'm gonna get some!" He is not thinking "Alright! This girl is going to like my collection of jazz records so we can compare our thoughts on the diz and getz collaborations."

Seriously. The vast majority of people go out to parties, and bars, etc. in order to meet someone and hook up. That's why their called "parties."
Otherwise, they'd be called "meetings."

This is stupid. But I guess since you personally KNOW the vast majority of people, you're speaking with first-hand knowledge.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by sceniczip

I've never gone back to someone's room at a party other than my boyfriend's room. However, even when going to bf's room at a party they're hosting doesn't mean we're going to have sex. It means I don't want to be in the party any longer.

I do know girls who go into a male friend's room to lay down or who spend the night there without having sex. I have a very good friend who usually spends the night with one of our close male friends when his house hosts a party. They've never had sex, she just lives about 20 minutes away from him so doesn't go home when drinking.

Also, all guys don't just go to parties to find girls to have sex with. Sorry not buying that for a minute. Maybe some guys do, maybe most guys do, but not all of them.

Those are your FRIENDS though, right? Not random guys you meet.

I'm not saying every random guy is going to try force himself on you, or that you owe him any sex just because you want to leave the party at the same time, but if you are talking for any length of time with him, and you leave together, and then you go to his room, he is thinking "alright! I'm gonna get some!" He is not thinking "Alright! This girl is going to like my collection of jazz records so we can compare our thoughts on the diz and getz collaborations."

Seriously. The vast majority of people go out to parties, and bars, etc. in order to meet someone and hook up. That's why their called "parties."
Otherwise, they'd be called "meetings."

[sceniczip]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Those are your FRIENDS though, right? Not random guys you meet.

I'm not saying every random guy is going to try force himself on you, or that you owe him any sex just because you want to leave the party at the same time, but if you are talking for any length of time with him, and you leave together, and then you go to his room, he is thinking "alright! I'm gonna get some!" He is not thinking "Alright! This girl is going to like my collection of jazz records so we can compare our thoughts on the diz and getz collaborations."

Seriously. The vast majority of people go out to parties, and bars, etc. in order to meet someone and hook up. That's why their called "parties."
Otherwise, they'd be called "meetings."

True, they are friends. I would never go back to a stranger's room for many reasons. If it's a stranger then you're probably right, he's thinking you're ready to have sex with him.

And idk about going to parties and bars in order to meet someone and hook up. I know a lot of my sisters go to the bars on Thursdays to just go out. They don't go out to hook up with someone.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Guys only go to parties to look for girls to have sex with. If you go back to his room willingly, people will assume that you want to have sex with him.

No.