New NPC Chapter at UWF?

[MegUWF]

Hi! I just transferred from FSU to UWF and I'm very interested in possibly starting a new Panhellenic chapter! I never rushed at FSU even though they have a wonderful greek program with 15 NPC chapters, but I still couldn't help noticing the difference at UWF with only 4 NPC chapters. Even though I am a junior and wouldn't have the pleasure of enjoying all four years of sorority life, I think it would be a very rewarding experience to start a new sorority chapter - enhancing and expanding UWF's greek life! I would love to hear anyone's suggestions of how to accomplish this. Any and all advice is welcome and will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[kddani]

Well, the first couple of questions - have you rushed at UWF? What is wrong with the 4 sororities currently there - i.e. why do you need another one? Are those 4 sororities all doing well?

[jennyj87]

you would have to see if UWF panhellenic is open for expansion. Go talk to their greek advisor.

[KSUViolet06]

We have an entire thread dedicated to what needs to happen in order to bring a new chapter to campus. Read it.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=93174

Also, some things to think about:

*Generally, all sororities at a school need to be at total (max size) for a number of years before a school will consider adding a new chapter.

*If there are only 4, that means that at this time, the level of interest in Greek Life only supports 4 chapters. There has to be enough interest in sorority life for the school to sustain a new chapter. Not every school gets the recruitment numbers to support 15 chapters.

*If you're interested in being in a sorority, I'd encourage you to participate in recruitment and check out the existing chapters already at UWF BEFORE you undertake NPC expansion.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MegUWF

Hi! I just transferred from FSU to UWF and I'm very interested in possibly starting a new Panhellenic chapter! I never rushed at FSU even though they have a wonderful greek program with 15 NPC chapters, but I still couldn't help noticing the difference at UWF with only 4 NPC chapters. Even though I am a junior and wouldn't have the pleasure of enjoying all four years of sorority life, I think it would be a very rewarding experience to start a new sorority chapter - enhancing and expanding UWF's greek life! I would love to hear anyone's suggestions of how to accomplish this. Any and all advice is welcome and will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

By the time the sorority received a charter, you would be long out of school. That's IF the campus is even open for expansion.

More does NOT equal better. Go through rush and check out the existing chapters. Or did you do that already?

[Munchkin03]

Before you ask whether or not UWF is open to NPC expansion, there are some things that you need to remember, or to ask yourself:

First of all, UWF is primarily a commuter school, although things have changed in the past 10 years or so.

Secondly, the newst chapter at UWF is very new--I believe AXO received their charter in 2006.

Third, the size of the student body at UWF (10,000) is considerably smaller than that at FSU (41,000).

Fourth, and not to beat a dead horse, but have you looked into the 4 sororities at UWF?

For what it's worth, I grew up just outside of Pensacola and a lot of my HS friends went to UWF. I got books for HS papers at the Pace library. I remember quite clearly when the AXO chapter was being considered because my permanent address at the time was in the area and they were keeping alumnae posted about the progress. So, I'm not just some random person telling you to do your research.

[uwfgreek]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Before you ask whether or not UWF is open to NPC expansion, there are some things that you need to remember, or to ask yourself:

First of all, UWF is primarily a commuter school, although things have changed in the past 10 years or so.

Secondly, the newst chapter at UWF is very new--I believe AXO received their charter in 2006.

Third, the size of the student body at UWF (10,000) is considerably smaller than that at FSU (41,000).

Fourth, and not to beat a dead horse, but have you looked into the 4 sororities at UWF?

For what it's worth, I grew up just outside of Pensacola and a lot of my HS friends went to UWF. I got books for HS papers at the Pace library. I remember quite clearly when the AXO chapter was being considered because my permanent address at the time was in the area and they were keeping alumnae posted about the progress. So, I'm not just some random person telling you to do your research.

Coming from a student who has graduated from UWF, I must say your points are not valid.

1. UWF is not a commuter university anymore. I did live off campus, but that's because greek life isn't supported on my campus. 2 Fraternities had dorms, but they lost them because the brothers of each organization didn't want to get enough people to live in the dorms.

UWF has tons of housing. I personally didn't care for it too much, but in my last year trust me you didn't wanna keep communting for once. Parking is way over filled and there is almost never enough parking at once for students who commute.

2. Yes AXO came to UWF in 2006, but it's not really that big of a deal. 4 Soroties for 6, pretty soon 7 fraternities?

3. Student population doesn't matter. University of Miami has 10 IFC frats and 10 Sororities and it's the same size as UWF (10,000 undergradates). I am sure there are many other universities that follow this same trend.

4. I know sisters of all 4 sororities at UWF. They are good but none of them stand out. I can't really say anything negative about any of them, but there isn't one out of the 4 that really strike out to me like the IFC fraternities.

While they are good, the main issue IMO in general is that greek life at UWF has became unstable and almost non-existant. The element of secetcy doesn't exist anymore at UWF. People can't keep their mouths shut about anything.

An example would be that pretty much, everyone knows a little bit of what each fraternity and sorority does. Such as pieces of each others rituals and things that people would consider bad are spread around campus way too fast.

You should all be for bringing new greek life to UWF. UWF's greek life is way too weak to began with. The University makes way too many rules to stop things that would be condemed as "wrong" or "not tolerable", but many greeks can agree that it wouldn't be greek life without certain elements involved (such as what is practiced in certain rituals).

Not a lot of greek organizations have survived at UWF either. There has been 9 IFC fraternity attemps, and now there is only 6, maybe soon enough 4-5 due to the progress that organizations continue to make. Kappa Sig had a colony, never made it. PIKE is trying to return but currently is not around at the moment and DTD was kicked off campus a lil while back. And 4 out of 5 sororities still exist (Phi Mu was kicked off a while back).

Only the leaders of tomorrow can save UWF greek life. If you think you got what it takes, if you don't hold back, and you can recruit some bad asses, it might be possible.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by uwfgreek

Coming from a student who has graduated from UWF, I must say your points are not valid.

1. UWF is not a commuter university anymore. I did live off campus, but that's because greek life isn't supported on my campus. 2 Fraternities had dorms, but they lost them because the brothers of each organization didn't want to get enough people to live in the dorms.

UWF has tons of housing. I personally didn't care for it too much, but in my last year trust me you didn't wanna keep communting for once. Parking is way over filled and there is almost never enough parking at once for students who commute.

2. Yes AXO came to UWF in 2006, but it's not really that big of a deal. 4 Soroties for 6, pretty soon 7 fraternities?

3. Student population doesn't matter. University of Miami has 10 IFC frats and 10 Sororities and it's the same size as UWF (10,000 undergradates). I am sure there are many other universities that follow this same trend.

4. I know sisters of all 4 sororities at UWF. They are good but none of them stand out. I can't really say anything negative about any of them, but there isn't one out of the 4 that really strike out to me like the IFC fraternities.

While they are good, the main issue IMO in general is that greek life at UWF has became unstable and almost non-existant. The element of secetcy doesn't exist anymore at UWF. People can't keep their mouths shut about anything.

An example would be that pretty much, everyone knows a little bit of what each fraternity and sorority does. Such as pieces of each others rituals and things that people would consider bad are spread around campus way too fast.

You should all be for bringing new greek life to UWF. UWF's greek life is way too weak to began with. The University makes way too many rules to stop things that would be condemed as "wrong" or "not tolerable", but many greeks can agree that it wouldn't be greek life without certain elements involved (such as what is practiced in certain rituals).

Not a lot of greek organizations have survived at UWF either. There has been 9 IFC fraternity attemps, and now there is only 6, maybe soon enough 4-5 due to the progress that organizations continue to make. Kappa Sig had a colony, never made it. PIKE is trying to return but currently is not around at the moment and DTD was kicked off campus a lil while back. And 4 out of 5 sororities still exist (Phi Mu was kicked off a while back).

Only the leaders of tomorrow can save UWF greek life. If you think you got what it takes, if you don't hold back, and you can recruit some bad asses, it might be possible.

Um, what?

And about your ending point: girls can "recruit" all the "bad asses" they want, but the school still needs to be open for expansion for anything to happen with NPC sorority expansion.

[uwfgreek]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Um, what?

And about your ending point: girls can "recruit" all the "bad asses" they want, but the school still needs to be open for expansion for anything to happen with NPC sorority expansion.

UWF is always open for expansion since I know all the GA's and people in Greek Affairs. The people who work for greek affairs don't mind more organizations since it helps expand UWF and make it more legit. They even said it themselves that to let the strong organizations survive and let the weakest die out.

And bad asses are strong, which means they deserve to be in greek life which is what UWF is looking for.

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by uwfgreek

Coming from a student who has graduated from UWF, I must say your points are not valid.

1. UWF is not a commuter university anymore. I did live off campus, but that's because greek life isn't supported on my campus. 2 Fraternities had dorms, but they lost them because the brothers of each organization didn't want to get enough people to live in the dorms.

UWF has tons of housing. I personally didn't care for it too much, but in my last year trust me you didn't wanna keep communting for once. Parking is way over filled and there is almost never enough parking at once for students who commute.

2. Yes AXO came to UWF in 2006, but it's not really that big of a deal. 4 Soroties for 6, pretty soon 7 fraternities?

3. Student population doesn't matter. University of Miami has 10 IFC frats and 10 Sororities and it's the same size as UWF (10,000 undergradates). I am sure there are many other universities that follow this same trend.

4. I know sisters of all 4 sororities at UWF. They are good but none of them stand out. I can't really say anything negative about any of them, but there isn't one out of the 4 that really strike out to me like the IFC fraternities.

While they are good, the main issue IMO in general is that greek life at UWF has became unstable and almost non-existant. The element of secetcy doesn't exist anymore at UWF. People can't keep their mouths shut about anything.

An example would be that pretty much, everyone knows a little bit of what each fraternity and sorority does. Such as pieces of each others rituals and things that people would consider bad are spread around campus way too fast.

You should all be for bringing new greek life to UWF. UWF's greek life is way too weak to began with. The University makes way too many rules to stop things that would be condemed as "wrong" or "not tolerable", but many greeks can agree that it wouldn't be greek life without certain elements involved (such as what is practiced in certain rituals).

Not a lot of greek organizations have survived at UWF either. There has been 9 IFC fraternity attemps, and now there is only 6, maybe soon enough 4-5 due to the progress that organizations continue to make. Kappa Sig had a colony, never made it. PIKE is trying to return but currently is not around at the moment and DTD was kicked off campus a lil while back. And 4 out of 5 sororities still exist (Phi Mu was kicked off a while back).

Only the leaders of tomorrow can save UWF greek life. If you think you got what it takes, if you don't hold back, and you can recruit some bad asses, it might be possible.

You provide a solid argument for why UWF DOESN'T need to expand.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

You provide a solid argument for why UWF DOESN'T need to expand.

Especially with this comment...

Originally Posted by uwfgreek

You should all be for bringing new greek life to UWF. UWF's greek life is way too weak to began with.

Rather than bringing new groups into a weak system, shouldn't they be trying to fix what they already have?

My school had a "weak system" for many years, in some ways. We lost two fraternities in the process. But interest has risen immensely, one of the fraternities re-colonized, and Greek life is now growing at a very substantial rate. Greeks have a more positive image on campus, and all of the chapters' members are very involved. But that didn't happen by adding more chapters.

And I can't tell you how pissed I would be if collectively, Panhellenic and IFC (or anyone on my campus) thought, "Well, let's just bring more chapters here and let the 'weaker' ones die out," especially if nothing was done to try and help those already-existing chapters in the areas in which they were struggling.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.. and not just about UWF, but about Greek life expansion in general.

[uwfgreek]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Do you know what goes into making the decision for sorority expansion?

Clearly you do not.

It's not about how many "bad asses" are interested and what can make the school "legit."

Also, no school is "always open for expansion." Educate yourself.

I am educated. I have a degree after all. Sorry if you don't like my slang. Don't judge me based on it.

Yes i'm aware that it takes a lot to add a new organization to a campus but UWF right now is in the position where as long as somebody serious comes along with a half way decent proposal and is going to be dedicated and actually does what they need to do to make an organization, it's most likely going to at least get colony status. Then depending on how well rush/recruitment does and how well the organization is lead, depends on if the organization will make it into chapter status.

Like I said, I know Greek Affairs personally. They want UWF to grow. The whole faculty of the the university shares the same mentality. That's probably why they just changed their athletics logo, keep stressing a football team and keep building shit on campus.

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

The point people were trying to make to the original poster was that every school just can't be an FSU or a UF with 15+ chapters, which is what she seemed to be going for.

Every school has a different makeup, and you can't push for expansion to make a school like another one that you came from..

UWF needs expansion. There is a reason why greek life is good at FSU and UF and why it's basically hardly surviving at UWF.

Originally Posted by Save Ferris

Okay, can we just back up this logic? It truly makes no sense.

UWF is looking for strong bad asses who deserve to be in Greek life? Are you high? I have no idea how this fits into ANYTHING. I'm assuming you aren't a girl. So perhaps the members of the fraternities are looking for bad asses, but UWF (as a whole) is probably not.

Ok, so are you trying to say that girls can't be strong leaders either? Since that's pretty much what I'm trying to imply here. Weak leaders kill organizations. Strong leaders keep it going and if they ever get in a jam, they have the ability to keep it surviving and come back better than ever.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Especially with this comment...



Rather than bringing new groups into a weak system, shouldn't they be trying to fix what they already have?

My school had a "weak system" for many years, in some ways. We lost two fraternities in the process. But interest has risen immensely, one of the fraternities re-colonized, and Greek life is now growing at a very substantial rate. Greeks have a more positive image on campus, and all of the chapters' members are very involved. But that didn't happen by adding more chapters.

And I can't tell you how pissed I would be if collectively, Panhellenic and IFC (or anyone on my campus) thought, "Well, let's just bring more chapters here and let the 'weaker' ones die out," especially if nothing was done to try and help those already-existing chapters in the areas in which they were struggling.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.. and not just about UWF, but about Greek life expansion in general.

Right, I only went to the university for 4 years, ran my own organization, held about 3-4 chairs and 1-2 eboard positions, and had the best 4 years of my life. I am 100% sure you are right and I am wrong.

/end of sarcasm

UWF had a similar problem with SGA just recently. SGA wasn't holding up to it's true potential until recently. Now UWF is getting better with good strong leaders who know wtf they are doing and people who actually care about making the school better.

Trust me, there are organizations at UWF right now that have a 1-2 year life span left in them. The weak don't always survive. You can make them as good as you think you can, but it's all w/e you make outta it.

[uwfgreek]

Originally Posted by 33girl

By the time the sorority received a charter, you would be long out of school. That's IF the campus is even open for expansion.

More does NOT equal better. Go through rush and check out the existing chapters. Or did you do that already?

BTW more does equal better. I like the thought of a diversity of organizations.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by uwfgreek

BTW more does equal better. I like the thought of a diversity of organizations.

The point people were trying to make to the original poster was that every school just can't be an FSU or a UF with 15+ chapters, which is what she seemed to be going for.

Every school has a different makeup, and you can't push for expansion to make a school like another one that you came from..

[Psi U MC Vito]

Yeah but fraternity and sorority rush are too completely different animals, and just because another fraternity is coming up doesn't mean that it would support more sororities.