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Old 01-25-2009, 06:54 PM
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Judge Obama on performance alone - from the WSJ

With the noon sun high over the U.S. Capitol, Barack Obama yesterday took the oath of office to become president of the United States. On one level, it was a simple matter of political process -- the symbolic transfer of power. Yet words alone cannot convey its meaning.

Read the rest here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123249791178500439.html

Though a few days old, I think this article is well written and brings up a very valid point. The middle portion where Mr. Williams talks of holding a president responsible for his screw ups no matter the color of his skin is very important and well said.

Anyone else read this? Thoughts?
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Old 01-25-2009, 06:57 PM
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. The middle portion where Mr. Williams talks of holding a president responsible for his screw ups no matter the color of his skin is very important and well said.

Anyone else read this? Thoughts?

I would think that this goes without saying.

I don't see why anyone would hold him less accountable because of it.
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Old 01-25-2009, 07:54 PM
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I tend to think this is going to be like any other Presidency - some of his supporters will overlook his faults, and they'll applaud every move he makes as a necessary measure. Some of his detractors will be looking for mistakes and ready to jump on any of his policies that fail. The rest of us will react to each of his decisions, and try to judge him based on the whole of those decision.

I mean, I see that race is always an issue in society, and that he'll get more scrutiny (on both sides) because of his race...but I don't think he'll experience less "accountability" because of his race.
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:29 PM
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I tend to think this is going to be like any other Presidency - some of his supporters will overlook his faults, and they'll applaud every move he makes as a necessary measure. Some of his detractors will be looking for mistakes and ready to jump on any of his policies that fail. The rest of us will react to each of his decisions, and try to judge him based on the whole of those decision.
Agreed. This was clear from our last president...as of January 22% of people thought he was doing a good job. Surprising! On the other hand, someone (I want to say Rush Limbaugh?) said on TV that he wanted Obama to fail. This is nothing new.

I find it interesting that many of those who didn't vote for Obama think that we all approve of him because of his skin color. Sorry, no. In the last five days, Obama has been doing a great job fulfilling his campaign promises - he has already suspended operations in Guantanamo Bay and signed an executive order to shut it down within a year. He's also cancelled the act that kept federal funding from any organization that offered literature on abortion.
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Old 01-25-2009, 08:56 PM
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Agreed. This was clear from our last president...as of January 22% of people thought he was doing a good job. Surprising! On the other hand, someone (I want to say Rush Limbaugh?) said on TV that he wanted Obama to fail. This is nothing new.

I find it interesting that many of those who didn't vote for Obama think that we all approve of him because of his skin color. Sorry, no. In the last five days, Obama has been doing a great job fulfilling his campaign promises - he has already suspended operations in Guantanamo Bay and signed an executive order to shut it down within a year. He's also cancelled the act that kept federal funding from any organization that offered literature on abortion.
I think that many of the acts he has done (suspending Guantanamo operations, freezing aide pay) would have been done no matter who was elected, and were fairly non-controversial moves. I wasn't a fan of his platforms during the election (obviously, since I didn't vote for him), but I'm willing to take a step back to see what he does, not over his first few days, but over the next few months and next 4 years. I'll withhold judgment on him as a President for the time being, as I think too much is made of the first 100 days stuff.
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Old 01-25-2009, 09:04 PM
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I think that many of the acts he has done (suspending Guantanamo operations, freezing aide pay) would have been done no matter who was elected, and were fairly non-controversial moves. I wasn't a fan of his platforms during the election (obviously, since I didn't vote for him), but I'm willing to take a step back to see what he does, not over his first few days, but over the next few months and next 4 years. I'll withhold judgment on him as a President for the time being, as I think too much is made of the first 100 days stuff.
I disagree. How many other presidents have frozen pay in their first 100 days, to use just one example? And some people DO find these things that he has done to be fairly controversial.
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Old 01-25-2009, 09:02 PM
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I find it interesting that many of those who didn't vote for Obama think that we all approve of him because of his skin color. Sorry, no. In the last five days, Obama has been doing a great job fulfilling his campaign promises - he has already suspended operations in Guantanamo Bay and signed an executive order to shut it down within a year. He's also cancelled the act that kept federal funding from any organization that offered literature on abortion.
Yeah. I get so tired of people accusing me of voting for him and approving of him because of his skin color. That's SUCH a tired way of thinking.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:34 AM
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Yeah. I get so tired of people accusing me of voting for him and approving of him because of his skin color. That's SUCH a tired way of thinking.
Those people would have a 98% chance of being right about you voting for him (assuming you're black).
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:54 PM
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I would think that this goes without saying.

I don't see why anyone would hold him less accountable because of it.
Probably the same reason DamonSeid holds Donovan McNabb less accountable.
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:26 PM
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Probably the same reason DamonSeid holds Donovan McNabb less accountable.
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:33 PM
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PhiGam, remember as well that in the past, blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate regardless of whom it is. This indicates that the Dems usually represent their interests as a whole (as much as you can lump any group together, that is) and so the support for Obama would have likely been almost as high regardless of his skin color.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:03 PM
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PhiGam, remember as well that in the past, blacks tend to vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate regardless of whom it is. This indicates that the Dems usually represent their interests as a whole (as much as you can lump any group together, that is) and so the support for Obama would have likely been almost as high regardless of his skin color.
It's much more correct to say that Democrats purport to represent minority interests more so than Republicans, as whether Democratic support has really been all that beneficial for minorities since the Civil Rights Movement is definitely an open question.

A 10% increase, if it really did go from 88% to 98%, is likely statistically significant given the immense population size.
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:46 PM
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It's much more correct to say that Democrats purport to represent minority interests more so than Republicans, as whether Democratic support has really been all that beneficial for minorities since the Civil Rights Movement is definitely an open question.
Glad I read ahead. This is more accurate.
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Old 01-26-2009, 05:03 PM
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It's much more correct to say that Democrats purport to represent minority interests more so than Republicans, as whether Democratic support has really been all that beneficial for minorities since the Civil Rights Movement is definitely an open question.

A 10% increase, if it really did go from 88% to 98%, is likely statistically significant given the immense population size.
Gotcha. Thanks for the info That is definitely more correct.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:52 PM
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It's much more correct to say that Democrats purport to represent minority interests more so than Republicans, as whether Democratic support has really been all that beneficial for minorities since the Civil Rights Movement is definitely an open question.

A 10% increase, if it really did go from 88% to 98%, is likely statistically significant given the immense population size.
Well, compared to Republican support, it has been beneficial.
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