APO/A-Phi-Q conflict

I know that most of the time APO chapter members stayed amongst themselves and A-Phi-Q chapter members do the same but what happens if a APO member finds himself/herself at a A-Phi-Q chapter or vice versa? Is it possible to co-exist in a chapter or will it cause alot of conflict? Has anybody dealt with this situation?

[Senusret I]

Are YOU dealing with this situation?

[33girl]

Oh my, it's the...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_u9Ttw5w6s

as we've heard before.

[APhiQuetieACE]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Are YOU dealing with this situation?

where is the "like" button?

It's actually a situation involving a Grand Little (my little's little) and her friend who is also a chapter Brother. Neither of them have transferred but there have been a few incidents where they have told me about APO/A-Phi-Q conflict and a few of those members have transferred to the school. I no longer attend the school.

[AndrewPiChi]

Maybe you should let these chapters do their own thing, who are they bothering? Let each man rep his own fraternity as he see's fit. cough cough excuse me, men and women.

Make no mistake however, nationals putting their foot down makes separatist organizations like mine that much more meaningful

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AndrewPiChi

Let each man rep his own fraternity as he see's fit. cough cough excuse me, men and women.

Make no mistake however, nationals putting their foot down makes separatist organizations like mine that much more meaningful

"The man doth protest too much, methinks."

Pi Chi
All-Male Since 1966

I personally am not dealing with the situation. It's more a few chapter Brothers feeling uncomfortable with the situation and it was brought up to everybody's attention.

[DrPhil]

OMG, isn't it the same organization?

[naraht]

DrPhil,

Yes, but with somewhat different cultures. Alpha Phi Omega, Gamma Sigma Sigma, Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma are all non-social and founded at HWI, but their chapters at HBCUs have taken on some characteristics of the NPHCs such as stepping, refering to pledge class as a line (and normally sorting by height like the NPHCs), etc.

88Lover,

From your previous posts, I believe that you initiated at Theta Upsilon at Case Western Reserve, definitely an HWI. So if the question is about an actual situation, rather than a somewhat touchy conversation piece, I'll give the following advice which would be appropriate in any transfer.

I'd advise talking to the membership VP/pledgemaster at the new chapter about the experiences at the old. The chapter has to sign off on a transfer of membership, at some chapters it is perfunctory, at others somewhat more intensive. You won't be asked to go through pledging again, though making a point to attend if there are pledge class meetings devoted to chapter history and traditions is probably a good idea.

I personally would avoid rush events the first semester after transfer, or at least tone it down, as a brother, the rushees will expect you to have information on how the chapter does things that you probably don't.

Now some of this advice would be vary and be more specific if I knew the specific chapters. (Just as an example, I would expect Howard U. <-> Georgetown U. would be less of an adjustment than Howard U. <-> George Washington U. even though both Georgetown and George Washington are HWI)

I'll be happy to be more specific in a PM.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by naraht

Yes, but with somewhat different cultures. Alpha Phi Omega, Gamma Sigma Sigma, Kappa Alpha Psi and Tau Beta Sigma are all non-social and founded at HWI, but their chapters at HBCUs have taken on some characteristics of the NPHCs such as stepping, refering to pledge class as a line (and normally sorting by height like the NPHCs), etc.

I assume you mean Kappa Kappa Psi?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I assume you mean Kappa Kappa Psi?

Oops. Will fix the above.

[DrPhil]

I was being sarcastically rhetorical. I know all about the organizations that Black folks have transformed at HBCUs.

Alpha Phi Omega is still Alpha Phi Omega regardless of whether members culturally identify as APO or A-Phi-Que. The belief that it is not the same organization is one reason why some white folks don't want Black folks to get a substantive hold on historically (and/or predominantly) white organizations.

[naraht]

Or for that matter APhiO (which is more common in some other places).

All chapters have different experiences. My sister, after hearing me talk about the chapter at my alma mater, was gung ho to join the one at the school she was going to. That chapter went through more alcohol in a weekend than mine did in a semester (Note, this was the 1980s, and the chapter is currently inactive)

One thing that has personally minimized the differences in culture between the Alpha Phi Omega chapters at the HWI and HBCUs is finding out more about Alpha Phi Omega of the Philippines. The differences in the experiences at Johns Hopkins U. and Howard U. look like a lot less when compared to the experience at the University of Mindanao.

(Get back to me when *either* Kappa Mu at Hopkins or Zeta Phi at Howard run a service project providing Circumcisions for 6-12 year old boys. 1/2 )

[arvid1978]

The belief that it is not the same organization is one reason why some white folks don't want Black folks to get a substantive hold on historically (and/or predominantly) white organizations.

Maybe I'm mis-reading your statement so maybe you could expand upon this, but that strikes me as rather ignorant, especially when you read from those of the Viking belief who do hold A-Phi-Q to be different than APO/APhiO.

http://jbskeet.tripod.com/JesseThree.html

That isn't about "white folks who don't want black folks in charge", so please take your race card elsewhere as it is not accepted here.