How Moms Should Treat Their Legacy Daughters

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by 33girl

J, that's the one I thought it was too but then I read it and it wasn't. The one I was thinking of had one of the ADPis commenting on it. Honeychile might remember.

The problems about this concept are so many, though. Who gets the nod between 1) daughter of mom who worked with the chapter and volunteered nationally for 30 years or 2) daughter of Monica Millionaire who never did anything as far as volunteering since she was busy with her work, but who donated $750,000 to the chapter to build a new house. Or what about the rushee whose mom hasn't done any volunteering because mom died when rushee was 6 years old.

With carnation's scenario above - again, back to college choice. Mom knows it's harder to get into Harvard than it is Booboo State. Why on earth would she believe that a school that differs from hers in so many aspects (not to mention the addition of 25-30 years) would have the same sort of rush?

Because there are many EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE Northern schools that have extremely NON-competitive rush. Some of those schools, where legacies do get a significant consideration, are top schools. They are much more alike - in non-Greek aspects - than one who is focusing on recruitment may see.

[KSUViolet06]

No it's that one (pretty sure), the discussion starts on page 4:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...t=32789&page=4

[carnation]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Because there are many EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE Northern schools that have extremely NON-competitive rush. Some of those schools, where legacies do get a significant consideration, are top schools. They are much more alike - in non-Greek aspects - than one who is focusing on recruitment may see.

What she said!! in addition to so many individual factors that go into the whole equation that I could never enumerate them. Human nature is what it is.

[SWTXBelle]

Does that mean my daughters are Panhellenic Super Legacies because of all my Alumnae Panhellenic work? (It's a joke, btw)

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Because there are many EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE Northern schools that have extremely NON-competitive rush. Some of those schools, where legacies do get a significant consideration, are top schools. They are much more alike - in non-Greek aspects - than one who is focusing on recruitment may see.

Yes, I know that. It's probably far easier to get into KKG at Yale than it is at LSU. While those may both be top schools as far as academics, the cultures of the two schools are very different, so why on earth would anyone think that rush is the same? That works both ways - if you went to LSU, why would you think that rush at Yale was the same as your experience?

The same could apply to housing, prominence of athletics, etc. Parents and kids are cautioned to check out all these other factors when choosing a school as they're so different from place to place. The Greek system (and its degree of competitiveness) should be another factor.

[carnation]

I believe with all my heart that if some parent came onto GC saying that they had checked out the competitiveness of the Greek system of a school, they would be flamed into oblivion.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by carnation

I believe with all my heart that if some parent came onto GC saying that they had checked out the competitiveness of the Greek system of a school, they would be flamed into oblivion.

To be fair, you think a lot of critical yet reasonable conversations are flaming pile-ons.

[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by 33girl

J, that's the one I thought it was too but then I read it and it wasn't. The one I was thinking of had one of the ADPis commenting on it. Honeychile might remember.

The problems about this concept are so many, though. Who gets the nod between 1) daughter of mom who worked with the chapter and volunteered nationally for 30 years or 2) daughter of Monica Millionaire who never did anything as far as volunteering since she was busy with her work, but who donated $750,000 to the chapter to build a new house. Or what about the rushee whose mom hasn't done any volunteering because mom died when rushee was 6 years old.

With carnation's scenario above - again, back to college choice. Mom knows it's harder to get into Harvard than it is Booboo State. Why on earth would she believe that a school that differs from hers in so many aspects (not to mention the addition of 25-30 years) would have the same sort of rush?

Without getting into any specifics about membership selection and just speaking theoretically, this already goes on at many chapters of large inter/national groups at super competitive schools. Let's face it. All legacies are not created equal. I think at this point in time it is still pretty easy to determine which legacies are "more equal." Mom, nanna, whoever is either involved or not, whether than involvement is with the chapter, alumnae group, financial, a combination of those or whatever. (Laura Legacy's mom hasn't paid dues since 1972 versus Lana Legacy's mom who served as president of her local ac for 10 years, still helps with recruitment at her local chapter and donated to the fund to rennovate that house.) I think if things continue to go on the same trajectory, eventually groups are going to have to come up with their own standardized objective way of evaluating a legacy's "value."

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

Without getting into any specifics about membership selection and just speaking theoretically, this already goes on at many chapters of large inter/national groups at super competitive schools. Let's face it. All legacies are not created equal. I think at this point in time it is still pretty easy to determine which legacies are "more equal." Mom, nanna, whoever is either involved or not, whether than involvement is with the chapter, alumnae group, financial, a combination of those or whatever. (Laura Legacy's mom hasn't paid dues since 1972 versus Lana Legacy's mom who served as president of her local ac for 10 years, still helps with recruitment at her local chapter and donated to the fund to rennovate that house.) I think if things continue to go on the same trajectory, eventually groups are going to have to come up with their own standardized objective way of evaluating a legacy's "value."

And, I think it's important to note that this is only an issue a small number of chapters. The number of schools across the country who have this as a problem is really quite small. However, it is a very big issue at the schools that do have this problem.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by carnation

I believe with all my heart that if some parent came onto GC saying that they had checked out the competitiveness of the Greek system of a school, they would be flamed into oblivion.

Parents HAVE come on and said that they were worried about things like that, and if they got flamed, it's more because people thought their "D" (barf, puke) should be inquiring herself. If you'll note, my post said "parents and kids."

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by AGDee

And, I think it's important to note that this is only an issue a small number of chapters. The number of schools across the country who have this as a problem is really quite small. However, it is a very big issue at the schools that do have this problem.

Yes, but the problem is only going to get bigger and more widespread as time goes on, so I think it's worth discussing for the future.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Yes, but the problem is only going to get bigger and more widespread as time goes on, so I think it's worth discussing for the future.

I really don't see it being an issue in my geographic region ever.

[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Parents HAVE come on and said that they were worried about things like that, and if they got flamed, it's more because people thought their "D" (barf, puke) should be inquiring herself. If you'll note, my post said "parents and kids."

Exactly.

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Yes, but the problem is only going to get bigger and more widespread as time goes on, so I think it's worth discussing for the future.

Originally Posted by AGDee

I really don't see it being an issue in my geographic region ever.

It's never going to be an issue at many schools and organizations, but it's just going to get worse at the ones where it's already an issue and it will become a problem at others as time goes on.

The women who are going through recruitment now had mothers who were mostly in college during the 80s. From what I understand, those were times when Greek life had membership challenges. As it has become more popular again plus with even more women in college, our generation will be producing more legacies, and that doesn't even count those who are legacies based on other relationships.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

The women who are going through recruitment now had mothers who were mostly in college during the 80s. From what I understand, those were times when Greek life had membership challenges. As it has become more popular again plus with even more women in college, our generation will be producing more legacies, and that doesn't even count those who are legacies based on other relationships.

The 70s/very early 80s were when things kind of sucked for GLOs. By the late 80s/early 90s they were booming. The birth rate for late 80s/early 90s college-age students was lower, BUT a higher percentage of those people were going to college. So that kind of effed with the ebb & flow.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by carnation

I believe with all my heart that if some parent came onto GC saying that they had checked out the competitiveness of the Greek system of a school, they would be flamed into oblivion.

I agree, and LOL!!!
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I'd say the answer to more-and-more legacies and fewer-and-fewer slots would be expansion. No, the majority of PNMs might not be legacies to new groups, but there would be new groups to join for the Greek experience. And then they would beget their own legacies...and so on.