Hierarchy on GC?

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by librasoul22
INTERSTING TOPIC. Now that it is straightforward, are there any takers?

you rang?

oh - well, let's look at it like this: why do we have GLOs, then a separate set of HBGLOs? Don't you think the split here mirrors the split there, in some small way?

For instance - NPHC organizations were started with specific interests and goals of the black community in mind, and while these are certainly goals that can be (and should be) embraced by the white folk, they concentrate on the black community and its needs more than any other.

Perhaps this same logic can apply to our greekchat communities - the HBGLO forums tend toward topics more pertinent and important to their members, and they happen to hold discussion in a much different (and efficient, and entertaining, and...) manner than the chitchat crowd does.

Does this make sense? I feel like certain parallels exist here, but I don't think I'm making the connections on paper. I think the main point is the backgrounds of the very organizations involved would seem to play a role in each particular side of greekchat ('white' and 'black', or more appropriately 'GLO' and 'HBGLO') embracing the community aspects that it does.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by cashmoney
I'm tired of hearing all the "thats life" comments. All thats doing is solidifing some of you take cheap shots and expect no one to come back at you, and if they come back at you a little worse than what you came at them with some of you then get mad and report their posts. If I recall correctly UFpike told many of you who are now saying thats life or thats my opinion and yet he and the V's, along with I'mthechamp, got banned for doing exactly that. Some of you are completely missing the point behind the message. And to say that because someone in CHIT-CHAT, of all places, is not greek and you find it rude that they are giving advice because of that? Whats that got to do with anything? Chit Chat is not GREEK LIFE! This place is starting to turn into a cesspool!

I think people might have missed this, so I'll point it out for them -




THE V's?????

You are absolutely ridiculous. The second the discussion turned against you, you flipped out, and in your anger you have made little to no sense at all. Grow up - 'cesspool'? God - I think you need to keep two things in mind:

1.) Your opinion counts for no more than anyone else's.
2.) Your way of doing things, while probably beautiful and sublime inside your ivory tower, is not implicitly any better than anyone else's.

Until you learn these two important life lessons, and learn to deal with people and things that you don't agree with, you will be the bitter, unhappy person that your posts make you out to seem.

Oh and also - Take off the sock puppet already, so that I can ignore all of your posts under your other name(s).

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
The appropriate thing to do now is to stay out of it until the person in question is confronted.

But why should some of us stop right here and not reveal things about someone? Because it tarnishes their GLO and their credibility on GC? Some people have done some really nasty things to people on here, even current moderators. I hate to keep going back to UFpike or the Vs for an example, but didn't some people here even go to certain peoples GLO chapter and nationals about them on GC as well as other chapters that they never claimed to be a part of? Were they not publicly and openly ridiculed on GC because some people didn't like those people? Your statement is an example of how some people think it's ok to do one thing to one person but not the same to another. I'm not wanting to start an arguement with you but thats another example of a double standard.

[AXJules]

cash what she means is that things are being taken care of. And once they are, one of us or probably one of the mods will fill everyone in and everything will come to light....

Believe me if it doesn't I'll be glad to open my mouth

Things will happen, you'll see....It's just that it involves a lot of people and we're all a little hesitant to say anything until we know what's up for sure.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by KSig RC
I think people might have missed this, so I'll point it out for them -




THE V's?????

You are absolutely ridiculous. The second the discussion turned against you, you flipped out, and in your anger you have made little to no sense at all. Grow up - 'cesspool'? God - I think you need to keep two things in mind:

1.) Your opinion counts for no more than anyone else's.
2.) Your way of doing things, while probably beautiful and sublime inside your ivory tower, is not implicitly any better than anyone else's.

Until you learn these two important life lessons, and learn to deal with people and things that you don't agree with, you will be the bitter, unhappy person that your posts make you out to seem.

Oh and also - Take off the sock puppet already, so that I can ignore all of your posts under your other name(s).

My posts were mostly on target. I can't expect a lot of people to admit my viewpoint has validity, that would make them look bad.

[AXJules]

Originally posted by KSig RC

Oh and also - Take off the sock puppet already, so that I can ignore all of your posts under your other name(s).

In the spirit of all this honesty, figured I'd point out that someone in this thread already ripped that puppet off. 3???? pages ago I think.....

Don't worry I don't think anyone else noticed it, you're like the 4th person to say that.







I feel like Captain Obvious over here

[Hootie]

Originally posted by cashmoney
, but didn't some people here even go to certain peoples GLO chapter and nationals about them on GC as well as other chapters that they never claimed to be a part of?

To my knowledge the only time this happened...when someone was questioned or brought up to in their respective National GLO...is when the V's contacted a member's GLO claiming harassment?!?! I could be wrong though.

[John]

cashmoney, I'm quite sure I know who you are / what your other GC username(s) is. It seems to me that you are a disgruntled ex-member of GC who has been banned several times. If I am incorrect about that, please feel free to verify with me your other username so that I can take your comments more seriously. If you are unsure why I would not take your discussion seriously knowing who you are - you did not take it seriously when you were asked many times to stop causing problems on the site. You were given ample opportunity to participate on GC in a reasonable manner, but you chose not to do so. Banning you had nothing at all to do with treating you unfairly. It was your choice to continuously cause problems - you were given more than a fair chance at this. I'm sorry that you are upset about this, but it really is of your own doing.

[Let me also add that if cashmoney by some chance turns out to be someone other than who I believe they are - I sincerely apologize in advance for my mis-identification.]

[moe.ron]

Now for something totally random

[lifesaver]

Originally posted by John
cashmoney, I'm quite sure I know who you are / what your other GC username(s) is. It seems to me that you are a disgruntled ex-member of GC who has been banned several times. If I am incorrect about that, please feel free to verify with me your other username so that I can take your comments more seriously. If you are unsure why I would not take your discussion seriously knowing who you are - you did not take it seriously when you were asked many times to stop causing problems on the site. You were given ample opportunity to participate on GC in a reasonable manner, but you chose not to do so. Banning you had nothing at all to do with treating you unfairly. It was your choice to continuously cause problems - you were given more than a fair chance at this. I'm sorry that you are upset about this, but it really is of your own doing.

[Let me also add that if cashmoney by some chance turns out to be someone other than who I believe they are - I sincerely apologize in advance for my mis-identification.]

Damn yo. This be some serious chit for John to have to come down off the GC mountain with his 10 commandments to handle biznass. That mean, straighten up. I'll take John's comments one step further. You dont have to be a rocket scientist, just someone whos a self proclaimed member of the hierarchy (3+years membership and counting) to figure out a pattern. Honestly youre not the first Johnny or Janey come lately to get disgrunteled and create 6 diff accounts to start agreeing with yourself. Its simple. If we've never seen you before Sept 2003 and all the sudden youre hella up into arguments on here, were gonna be "um, no" WHY? Because 99.8989% of peeps who are legit to this board and registerd in Sept 2003 or recently, REALLY DONT CARE WHAT OTW allegadly did to the V's, or Svergle. Why would they?!? They dont even know who they are. They wanna knwo about greek life, and then miagrate into chat land. Serously, in the 3 years I've been on here, its a pattern. Do you really think you are that creative, with 15,000 registered members, that any trix you got up your sleeve have never been tried before and done called out? PLZ. You aint that cool. Or that creative. Not only has chit been done before, and shopped at that store, but a couple of franchises have been sold. Let it go."

[decadence]

Guy - note the original pic I posted was up for TWO seconds, I edited it out as fast as it doesn't even note it in the bottom of the post, because I realized it was in bad taste, lay off of it. I had realized it wasn't an appropriate pic and I changed it post haste, don't dwell on it guy.
My point was you know my p.o.a. comment which you are dwelling and dwelling on to use against me, was made in response to the original post (hell, it quoted it).

Like I said I do tend to find you annoying
So why not ignore me? ZetaAce's advice about if yr gonna butt heads with someone use the feature; we know I can't use it due to the way it works.

…and I find it very offensive considering you aren't even Greek, to talk to other Greeks as if you should tell us what to do, what to consider, or by giving us your advice. That is my real problem with you, you aren't greek and I feel that you act as if you know quite a bit more than people that actually are greek certain times.
This paragraph I do not understand at all. I'd like for someone to explain it to me, perhaps someone else?? Firstly my not being Greek: Now you know this from threads I started like 'starting glo on non-greek campus' and various others all about starting up a greek org on my campus.
Yes, I could possibly have started up a *local* professional fraternity, named it with Greek letters - which would have magically appeased you since it made me “Greek”, would have made me “acceptable” in your eyes, and then later worked on building it then trying to get the existing local picked up by an International. But I did not have an interest in doing that, my interest was in being a part of an international, and in my chosen field so it made sense- to me - to simply create an interest group to hopefully one day petition for a charter.

All the people going through recruitment (rush) who come to gc are also not Greek! But like me they have an interest in Greek Life and wanna embrace it/be a part of it ??? It’s different if they are not Greek NOR WISH TO BE.
So far as I see, someone who is not Greek you think does not have a place on here and should leave? The way I see it is people with a legitimate interest in Greek Life either because they're Greek/aspire to be/are trying to be etc "belong". Anyone who really isn't interested in greek life at all or whose only interest is to attempt to post flamebait trying to destroy it is a different matter and a troll. Rest assured since I have spent lots of time in conversation with a fraternity, met actives of it by arrangement with their IHQ, and have already set up an interest group to petition said glo at some hopeful future point that attacking greek life is clearly not my goal. I do not understand your comments.
I have never claimed to be Greek, never said I was, never had letters in my signature nor a Fraternity name. Announcing I'm not Greek just makes me wonder what your point is. Uhm hello?? I *know* it is something I am still working on. I didn't submit a constitution to my Student Union the other day for fun! Anyone who reads my posts also knows I'm not an initiate but have a genuine interest in greekdom and am working on working hard to be a part of it. Hence my presence.
Of course I try to say something when people post just in case my comments might end up being helpful/useful/insightful to them; often a different perspective is useful. That’s why I as you say “give my advice” - It’d be hypocritical IMHO to not lift a finger in response to other posts which’re probably of great importance to the people who posted them, when I have had so much help MYSELF.

I’m been giving all this some thought recently, and as far as I see it I post three types of posts.
1) Asking for feedback/advice on issues concerned with starting up a greek org. at my school
2) Giving my opinion on OTHER’S questions/attempting to help others who come to the board for help because to do so otherwise would be hypocritical or parasitic. Like Curtis Sliwa said it’s less about the 'I' and 'me', and more about the 'us' and 'we. If they find my well-intentioned comments totally useless then it becomes IMHO simply a nice gesture all the same!
3) Chitchat random stuff, this movie that movie or whatever or issue of the day (basically non-greek stuff) when it's time to kick back and chill or if there's an interesting debate.
... 4) Attacking others with personal remarks out of nowhere to cause trouble, having no legitimate interest in the forum’s subject just an interest in causing trouble and getting an angry reaction. #4 does not apply to me. Yet you maybe infer otherwise.?

If I wanted to "name calll" on you, I would, plain and simple.
My point was you did.

Edited to add: As for arguing with you in other posts "cornell" and whatever "bug" thread you are talking about; man, that's life, I don't have to agree with you and there is nothing wrong with what I posted in that cornell thread. The simple fact is that you posted something that could have possibly not been true, and I didn't agree with it, so I posted otherwise. I do not have to agree with you and most of the time I don't, nothing wrong with that.
People disagreeing with each other on this forum cool, partly what it's there for -- that makes it debate. People disagreeing with me is also welcome - I do not believe anyone died and made me God! But there is clear disagreeing with someone for the sake of it in a non-constructive way versus disagreeing to put across a different point of view/simply stating disagreement. No there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing with the next person but facile comments like “you weren’t there” I don’t get. I wasn’t in Alabama (although OT I am next week …), I haven’t extensively interviewed the judge and everyone involved yet I still gave my view - even though I “wasn’t there” - I still commented on the ten commandments thread - the forum is chitchat. So I did.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by damasa
I don't see anything wrong with a "white GC" and a "black GC." I still post on both, although I don't post as often on "black GC." I will tell you that I enjoy the bglo boards a lot more. I think those mods do a great job and the topics pretty much stay in line.

I'd agree with this - I think the Mods on the BGLO boards really don't let anything get out of hand; not to criticize the other Moderators on other boards, I just think there are different philosophies in running each.

Recently, the bglo boards have also been tackling more serious subjects, more think subjects than the other boards; the debate has been solid, largely without name-calling and outrageous statements, and people kind of agree to disagree.

It's not a bad thing or a good thing - it just is what it is.

[Dionysus]

Hmmmmm

There's only five members that I know of who has had multiple usernames...all I have to say about this cashmoney thing...it wasn't me!!!

1. I have not had beefs with any moderators over a year. I have nothing to complain about.

2. I have not had beefs with any other members within the last few months. Again, I have nothing to complain about.

3. Those loooooooong posts. The longest my posts get is about three paragraphs. I wish I could keep the train of thought to type page(s) long posts.


I just wanted to clear that up.

[sigmadiva]

Originally posted by KSig RC
you rang?

oh - well, let's look at it like this: why do we have GLOs, then a separate set of HBGLOs? Don't you think the split here mirrors the split there, in some small way?

For instance - NPHC organizations were started with specific interests and goals of the black community in mind, and while these are certainly goals that can be (and should be) embraced by the white folk, they concentrate on the black community and its needs more than any other.

Perhaps this same logic can apply to our greekchat communities - the HBGLO forums tend toward topics more pertinent and important to their members, and they happen to hold discussion in a much different (and efficient, and entertaining, and...) manner than the chitchat crowd does.

Does this make sense? I feel like certain parallels exist here, but I don't think I'm making the connections on paper. I think the main point is the backgrounds of the very organizations involved would seem to play a role in each particular side of greekchat ('white' and 'black', or more appropriately 'GLO' and 'HBGLO') embracing the community aspects that it does.

I think to answer your question, it might be helpful to read your American History book covering Civil War to Present. And also read about the founding of each of the D9 orgs. We all have our history books in the library. But, I will review a quick history lesson here.

The reason that there was a split between HBGLOs and WGLOs is because many of the WGLOs were started towards the end and right after slavery in this country. Although there were a few Blacks who were taught to read and write during slavery, many were not encouraged to seek higher education. And for the few who did, it was not easy.

During the Reconstruction Era in this country (1870 - 1900) there was a federal law that established 'separate but equal', thus many present-day HBCUs were founded to give freed slaves an education. The freed slaves could be educated, but many, especially in the South, could not be educated in historically White universites. Think back when the government tried to integrate Ole Miss in the 60's. Thus, Blacks did not have the opportunity to join GLOs like Kappa Alpha Order and ADPi (named as examples only) because they were not allowed to attend schools that had chapters there.

HBGLOs focus on the Black community because we realized during our founding, which started in 1906 with Alpha Phi Alpha, that the best way for us to make it in this country is to help one another. That is why HBGLOs are considered service organizations. We do all we can to service our community. For us, it is part of our motto.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by cashmoney
Please, if you don't have anything intelligent to say in regards to the issues of this thread or a topic related to it, LEAVE! All you're doing is posting things in this thread which are non-topic related.

I think the point I was attempting to make is that no one but you actually appears to care about this topic.