Reality and grades

[scrapcat]

Ok, how "true" are all these bidless girl stories? I realize that if you "play the odds" someone will get left out. But how often does it actually happen? If a school has quota additions, it seems that almost every girl should get placed. (depending upon if the girl maximizes her options on perf night)

About grades: When signing up for recruitment you release your grades. Do the houses just see a sheet saying you made the minimum gpa to rush or do they see your actual high school gpa (as a freshmen)?

[KSUViolet06]

It really depends on the school. At my alma mater, I'd say 99% of the girls get bids. Those who don't were mostly girls who didn't maximize their options.

Schools try to place as many girls as they can, and most do their best to do that. There are no guarantees though, and girls do go without bids. This is particularly true if you're at a school that emphasizes the importance of having recommendations. Many girls who get cut out early at the bigger, more competitive schools, did not get recs and those are important.

As far as grades, I'm assuming that chapters will see the actual GPA (either via a grade release or PNMs putting the GPA on their computerized apps). The sororities each have their own minimum GPA requirement (example: ABC might require a 2.9, while XYZ requires a 3.0), so they need to see the PNM's GPAs to determine whether they meet the chapter's requirement.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by scrapcat

About grades: When signing up for recruitment you release your grades. Do the houses just see a sheet saying you made the minimum gpa to rush or do they see your actual high school gpa (as a freshmen)?

They see both if available. They only get the GPA. As far as I know from being an advisor they dont look at actual transcripts and what grades you got in what classes. Chapters usually have a higher GPA requirement than the minimum required to rush and/or pledge a woman. High school GPA requirements are typically higher than those who are coming through with college GPA's already. PNM's should realize that if their GPA is at minimum or just above, that chances of pledging are low. With only few exceptions, chapters in general will not take grade risks. We dont take grade risks because the chapter GPA determines good standing with our HQ, campus panhellenic, and ability to participate in activities/intramurals.

We had one girl come through this year with a 1.9 GPA and was transferring in. She was the only one that was dropped from every chapter after open house. With that GPA she really shouldnt have been able to sign up.

[scrapcat]

The reason I asked about gpa is my daughter recieved 4 bids from second rounds, she has a 3.5 gpa. Of the four houses, 3 are at the top in regards to grades. I tend to think that her gpa may have helped her in getting asked back.

[texas*princess]

No one can tell you the odds of someone getting left bidless.

It happens all the time at different schools. In the ultra-competitive schools there are many women with amazing GPAs, community service, AP classes, awards, honors, beauty queen tiaras, and rah-rah cheerleaders that go home bidless.

[lawgal]

It must depend on the school. The statistics for Florida on their admissions page state that the average GPA for the freshman class (on the class profile) is OVER a 4.0. Hopefully that is because it is adjusted for honors and AP classses (and IB classes if available in the school). But I can't imagine that any of the young women getting admitted would be considered a grade risk if they have that GPA.

[ajmom3]

Florida uses weighted GPA's (.5 for honors, 1.0 for AP/IB) so many kids admitted to the school have a 4.0.

[Zillini]

I'm willing to bet that the percentage of PNMs who were totally cut in early rounds is far higher than those who went bidless after Pref. Over the years I've heard of very few PNMs who went bidless after Pref, unless they didn't maximize their options. But I've heard of tons who didn't receive any invites in an earlier round and even more who voluntarily withdrew because they weren't happy with the invites they received.

As for grades, we start off using the GPA a PNM reports on her registration application. We then compare that to the GPA reported on any Recs we receive. Finally after registration is closed the University provides us with list of the actual GPAs. I've seen PNMs flat out lie or "round" up. I'm sorry but a 2.7 cannot be rounded up to a 3.0. I guess they don't realize we actually check these out. Lying about something so important says a lot about one's character.

[gee_ess]

Very valid point Zillini - it is often those girls who are released early from "favorites" and then as a result, withdraw from recruitment, who end up bidless.

[violetpretty]

At any campus, the overwhelming majority of PNMs who end up bidless are ones who take themselves out of the game, usually because they are unhappy with their remaining choices.

Sure, some PNMs will get released from all chapters; although it is impossible to know why a PNM was cross-released, the following factors do not bode well: low GPA, bad reputation, junior/senior class standing (juniors fare better at some schools than others), unkempt appearance, very poor conversation skills, or not having recs at schools where they are important. At my alma mater, 400-500 PNMs go through (and increasing), and I know for a fact only 11 were cross-released in 2006.

My campus does guarantee a bid to any PNM who makes it to preference, maximizes her choices throughout and ranks all of her preference chapters. Not every school has a guaranteed matching policy, but the more chapters a PNM ranks, the higher chance she has of being matched.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by Zillini

I guess they don't realize we actually check these out. Lying about something so important says a lot about one's character.

yes it does. We had one come through this year that claimed to be a legacy. Upon checking it out she turned out not to be a legacy. It is unknown if she lied intentionally to help boost her chances, or if she truly thought she was a legacy but wasnt.

[Titchou]

On the campus where I currently advise, PH gives you what the woman says her GPA is and what the university computed her core classes GPA to be. In other words, certain classes can add to your GPA that are not accepted for admittance to the university, such as cheerleading, etc. So we get to see what her actual relevant class grades are....which is infinitely more helpful for our information.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Titchou

On the campus where I currently advise, PH gives you what the woman says her GPA is and what the university computed her core classes GPA to be. In other words, certain classes can add to your GPA that are not accepted for admittance to the university, such as cheerleading, etc. So we get to see what her actual relevant class grades are....which is infinitely more helpful for our information.

Hahaha that would actually boost my GPA since I got Cs in PE.

[CarolinaCutie]

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

yes it does. We had one come through this year that claimed to be a legacy. Upon checking it out she turned out not to be a legacy. It is unknown if she lied intentionally to help boost her chances, or if she truly thought she was a legacy but wasnt.

I know what you are saying, but I think intentionally lying about your GPA can be very different than being unsure of your legacy status.

We use ICS, and if the PNM lists herself as a legacy, it shows up. But for us, at a smaller school, many of the girls are not actually legacies because:
-the relation who is a sister is an aunt or someone who is not considered a legacy in our sorority
-the sister listed as a legacy is no longer in good standing
-the PNM listed friends or other acquaintances in the legacy spot instead of realizing that these people are her references
plus lots of other possible reasons that don't make her a liar.

[Jill1228]

Originally Posted by Zillini

I'm sorry but a 2.7 cannot be rounded up to a 3.0.

And what type of math were THEY using? Must be that new math