Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[Benzgirl]

Is anyone else following this? My aunt lives very close to Eldorado.

http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_8823648

http://web.sccn2.net/flds/

[Senusret I]

Holy shades of Special Victims Unit!

[ComradesTrue]

I've been following. So very sad.

I hope that they find and rescue the 16 year old girl. It is tragic that these children are not only raised in this environment, but they they are so secluded they will never know of anything different.

[EE-BO]

I have been following this and I am disgusted.

The Mormon Church with all its political and legal power in Utah refuses to ever take charge of its fringe element- and so as far as I am concerned all Mormons and all LDS congregations are complicit in serial child molestation. Every Mormon in this country has blood on their hands in this regard.

To see it spill over into Texas is nauseating- but at least here we know what to do with people like that once we catch them.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I have been following this and I am disgusted.

The Mormon Church with all its political and legal power in Utah refuses to ever take charge of its fringe element- and so as far as I am concerned all Mormons and all LDS congregations are complicit in serial child molestation. Every Mormon in this country has blood on their hands in this regard.

To see it spill over into Texas is nauseating- but at least here we know what to do with people like that once we catch them.

I can't say I really blame the Mormon church for wanting to have nothing to do with these people. This group split off from the mainstream Mormon church about 100 years ago - why should the current Mormon church be held responsible for anything they do, especially for the child molestation happening in this sect? That's like saying that the Catholic church is one and the same as Opus Dei, and that protestants can speak for the Amish.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I can't say I really blame the Mormon church for wanting to have nothing to do with these people. This group split off from the mainstream Mormon church about 100 years ago - why should the current Mormon church be held responsible for anything they do, especially for the child molestation happening in this sect? That's like saying that the Catholic church is one and the same as Opus Dei, and that protestants can speak for the Amish.

There is a lot of "Look the other way" and "don't ask questions" involved here though. Tell me that people weren't aware that the giant compound was an FLDS site. Not that, particularly in TX, it's the LDS who are looking the other way, but civil authorities are.

[honeychile]

I've been watching this - they can't seem to find the one girl (I refuse to call her a woman) who called the police. I really hope that she's all right!

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I've been watching this - they can't seem to find the one girl (I refuse to call her a woman) who called the police. I really hope that she's all right!

I just saw that on Fox News. They also say that the women and children in this "group" oftne change their last names and a lot have the same last names and there is a chance they have her already with the others they took out of the compound and just havent realized it yet.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

There is a lot of "Look the other way" and "don't ask questions" involved here though. Tell me that people weren't aware that the giant compound was an FLDS site. Not that, particularly in TX, it's the LDS who are looking the other way, but civil authorities are.

So various legal authorities are looking the other way. But Mormons live all over, not just in Utah...what I objected to in EE-BO's statement was that ALL Mormons have been complicit in child molestation, which I believe is completely bogus. My Mormon friends up here in Washington state had very normal childhoods and interacted/played with all the other kids, and lived in normal houses with their families. The only obvious difference to many of us was that they spent nearly all day on Sunday in church and at home with their family. I think it's wrong for people to say that the Mormon church should be held responsible for a cult that broke off of it a century ago. There are few denominations that can probably say that they never inspired a cult; I'm going to guess that most cult founders grew up in a church or religious order of some kind...does that mean that their inherited denomination is responsible for the cult's beliefs and actions?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

So various legal authorities are looking the other way. But Mormons live all over, not just in Utah...what I objected to in EE-BO's statement was that ALL Mormons have been complicit in child molestation, which I believe is completely bogus. My Mormon friends up here in Washington state had very normal childhoods and interacted/played with all the other kids, and lived in normal houses with their families. The only obvious difference to many of us was that they spent nearly all day on Sunday in church and at home with their family. I think it's wrong for people to say that the Mormon church should be held responsible for a cult that broke off of it a century ago. There are few denominations that can probably say that they never inspired a cult; I'm going to guess that most cult founders grew up in a church or religious order of some kind...does that mean that their inherited denomination is responsible for the cult's beliefs and actions?

Oh I agree with you, the only place where I'd put some of the blame on the LDS is within Utah.

[UGAalum94]

What do you think that the mainstream LDS Church can do any place that they aren't already doing?

I keep meaning to order Under the Banner of Heaven since I'm a Krakauer fan and maybe that will break it down for me, but I don't have a great sense of their current complicity in polygamy and child abuse.

And I think we have to remember to be careful with how we respond to religious fundamentalists with compounds. The whole Branch Davidians thing didn't go down so well.

It's one thing to feel like we should have done more to protect people after we find out about the abuse, but how much, in general, do you think the American public and Constitution support policing people's homes and private property as a preventative measure?

How would you do it? Hey, you're a sect of Mormonism so we're going to come in twice a month? Hey, you're a Catholic priest, so you can't be around kids? Hey, you're a follower of Islam, so we're going to take over your daughter's health care in case you were interested in female circumcision?

[Jill1228]

UGA, I want to read that book! I just finished reading "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop. She escaped from the FDLS with all her kids

awesome book

[jitterbug13]

^^^^
Co-sign!!!!

Also read Shattered Dreams by Irene Spenser. It's not as current as Escape but along the same lines.

[Tom Earp]

So, everyone wants to talk around this situation.

They are WACK JOBs!

I want to start My own CULT, is that wrong?

Oh, never mind there are those out there who will do it!

[ComradesTrue]

Child Protective Services has now taken custody of 401 children from the compound. Wow.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....3f3c0801.html