Wilders' controversial "Fitna" now on web

shinerbock · #1 03-28-2008, 01:02 PM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

Warning: Some extremely graphic images of terrorism.

I watched it, it is pretty disturbing. What I find even more disturbing is the response of entities like the UN and people around Europe who are criticizing Wilders for being inflammatory.

It is inflammatory. It is also real. There is outrage over this film, but where was the action when the images portrayed in the film happened? If Europe doesn't realize what kind of danger they're in, I suspect they'll find out soon enough.

jon1856 · #2 03-28-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

Warning: Some extremely graphic images of terrorism.

I watched it, it is pretty disturbing. What I find even more disturbing is the response of entities like the UN and people around Europe who are criticizing Wilders for being inflammatory.

It is inflammatory. It is also real. There is outrage over this film, but where was the action when the images portrayed in the film happened? If Europe doesn't realize what kind of danger they're in, I suspect they'll find out soon enough.

Here is just one comment about it:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0308/west032808.php3

Note: I had to walk away from screen the first time I looked at it. Just brought up a few too many memories.

UGAalum94 · #3 03-28-2008, 01:29 PM

Wouldn't it be cool if instead of outrage about how the film equates Islam with terror, moderate and nonviolent Muslims used the film as an opportunity to condemn acts of violence done in the name of Islam?

You know, CAIR could go point by point through the film and condemn the commentary by extremist Muslims in the film and the acts of violence and explain how both the film maker AND the terrorists get Islam wrong.

Why don't I think that's going to be the reaction?

shinerbock · #4 03-28-2008, 01:34 PM

If there was any semblance of a widespread rejection (active, not just verbally) of extremism, I might agree that this type of tactic should be questioned.

However, when the Sec. Gen of the UN is lashing out against the film as beyond the realm of free speech, while also asking politely for CALM REACTIONS, that is beyond frightening. Free speech is necessary for the EXACT purpose of things like this. Yet the UN is condemning the film while asking for calm. The fact that they anticipate a violent reaction should be a testament to the film itself.

If Europe continues to sit idly by, they'll be made to cower later.

jon1856 · #5 03-28-2008, 02:02 PM

While looking around for more information about film I found this site.
And just by title, would seem to have some interest.
The hosting company thought otherwise!!!
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation. For more information about Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy visit the following URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/legal/aup.jsp

Web host suspends site planned for anti-Koran film
AMSTERDAM, March 23 (Reuters) - A U.S.-based web service, which Islam critic and Dutch right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders planned to use to show his film critical of the Koran, said on Saturday that it had inactivated the site due to complaints.

"This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy," the company said on the site
http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSL23679590

I did my search using just "Fitna" and came across over 20 news stories filed in the past 5 hours about it already.
Very few, if any, of any support.

AKA_Monet · #6 03-28-2008, 02:52 PM

This is all interesting... The rants made on the film, I can see the fear that many people may have. All I got to say is I am not afraid of those MF's--they best be afraid of me...

And since I do not want to be banned for what unintentionally say or think, I will leave it at that...

RACooper · #7 03-28-2008, 02:58 PM

I don't know what's less "shocking" here really.... that Wilders continued is his typical bigoted and racist vein, or that Shinerblock approves or supports his views.

Wilders is your typical bigoted/racist asshole, happily pontificating about his right to "Freedom or Speech or Expression" in one breadth, while advocating the banning and censoring of things like the Qu'ran with the next.

Personally I'm hoping the one of the legal investigations by the EU (for advocating human rights violations), the Netherlands (for treason), or civil courts (for a whole slew of racist and bigoted violations) goes through and tosses this tool in prison.

jon1856 · #8 03-28-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

I don't know what's less "shocking" here really.... that Wilders continued is his typical bigoted and racist vein, or that Shinerblock approves or supports his views.

Wilders is your typical bigoted/racist asshole, happily pontificating about his right to "Freedom or Speech or Expression" in one breadth, while advocating the banning and censoring of things like the Qu'ran with the next.

Personally I'm hoping the one of the legal investigations by the EU (for advocating human rights violations), the Netherlands (for treason), or civil courts (for a whole slew of racist and bigoted violations) goes through and tosses this tool in prison.

IIRC the History Channel or Discovery did a program (maybe this one
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70652 )
about Islam.
It showed that today, many parts have been "co-opted by extremists".
But it also showed that this is not the very first time that has happened.
It is a religion that it seems that the masses rely a great deal upon the interpretive teaching/preaching of their religious leaders.
And those teaching can and do change.
It is all to easy to take phases out of context and link them together.
The program showed how that was/is done over the course of history.
How it has been swung both ways.
I just wish I was more sure about the program for it was very well done.

moe.ron · #9 03-29-2008, 12:43 AM

It's interesting, here in Indonesia, virtually now media coverage. Only people that actually care about it are the religious right.

Biggest news in Indonesia: gossip about one of the actor and one of the Attorney Generals being arrested for corruption.

jon1856 · #10 03-29-2008, 11:31 AM

LiveLeak has removed the film citing threats to its staff "of a very serous Nature".
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103

Does anyone else find it interesting or odd that films showing the actions of extremist,( AKA murders, criminals et al) are shown with pride and anything against them get threaded or belited?

UGAalum94 · #11 03-29-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

Personally I'm hoping the one of the legal investigations by the EU (for advocating human rights violations), the Netherlands (for treason), or civil courts (for a whole slew of racist and bigoted violations) goes through and tosses this tool in prison.

So you support people being throw in jail for their speech?

macallan25 · #12 03-29-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

I don't know what's less "shocking" here really.... that Wilders continued is his typical bigoted and racist vein, or that Shinerblock approves or supports his views.

Wilders is your typical bigoted/racist asshole, happily pontificating about his right to "Freedom or Speech or Expression" in one breadth, while advocating the banning and censoring of things like the Qu'ran with the next.

Personally I'm hoping the one of the legal investigations by the EU (for advocating human rights violations), the Netherlands (for treason), or civil courts (for a whole slew of racist and bigoted violations) goes through and tosses this tool in prison.

moe.ron · #13 03-29-2008, 11:18 PM

I do find it ironic that a man who belong to an anti-immigration party is himself a byproduct of immigration.

UGAalum94 · #14 03-29-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

I do find it ironic that a man who belong to an anti-immigration party is himself a byproduct of immigration.

I don't know that much about the filmmaker, but I'd venture to say that some byproducts of immigration are more interested in assimilating into the culture they immigrated to, and that may make a difference.

moe.ron · #15 03-29-2008, 11:29 PM

I have met him. Ironically he come to Indonesia a lot since his family is from here. Another Irony is that his family in Indonesia are Muslims. Totally ego driven man who only think about advancing his career. Nothing wrong with that, if he's in business he'll be a bloody millionaire by now.

I think he's a brilliant showman. Only people that seems to care about the movie in a real sense are the extreme rights, the extreme rights of Europe (neo-Nazi, anti-Immigration, etc) and the extreme rights of Islam (the Wahabi and their ilks).