2007 Thread for Moms of PNMs!

carnation · #1 07-10-2007, 08:06 PM

A lot of us have been corresponding! Let's see if we can get some good discussions going here!

rusheemom · #2 07-10-2007, 11:25 PM

My daughter went through recruitment at a large Midwest school Fall 2006. If anyone has any questions, I'd love to help!

alum · #3 07-11-2007, 12:04 AM

My D went through formal recruitment in Spring 2007 at a southern LAC with a high greek population. I advise a chapter of my own GLO at a nationally ranked university with fall rush. I second the offers of advice!

carnation · #4 07-11-2007, 09:27 AM

Thank you for all offers of advice because we can use them!

Although I have had 5 daughters rush and pledge, every recruitment is new and anxiety-inducing. As y'all know, anything can happen. Legacies can be dropped, PNMs can get bad rushers, you name it!

ZTA72 · #5 07-12-2007, 06:44 PM

My daughters went through rush Fall of 2006 at a large southern university. I would be happy to answer questions.

ZTA 72

FSUZeta · #6 07-13-2007, 08:43 AM

my daughter(now my sister) pledged fall 2006 and i am the recruitment advisor to a nearby chapter. i would be happy to help,too.

carnation · #7 08-12-2007, 09:47 PM

Okay, as the first mom to report in: my 6th daughter rushed this past week, got a great bid, and is very tired and happy today. As usual, rush was a mixed bag;some good things and some not so good.

Her recruitment counselor told them that they had to go to 2 prefs if invited. I don't believe that can be enforced because they would then be penalized if they suicided. So then their RC told them they couldn't suicide at all. Definitely wrong! Although it didn't hurt my daughter, I have to wonder how many women it could have affected.

shadden · #8 08-12-2007, 10:02 PM

A friend's daughter just rushed at GSU, and was told that she couldn't suicide a particular group. She had friends who suicided and got the sorority they wanted, but she got her second choice. She is going through with pledging, but was very disappointed - she felt that if she had suicided and did not get in she could have rushed later in the year.
My daughter is going through rush at UGA, so I am anxious to hear her round 2 invites tomorrow morning.

UGAalum94 · #9 08-12-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by carnation

Her recruitment counselor told them that they had to go to 2 prefs if invited. I don't believe that can be enforced because they would then be penalized if they suicided. So then their RC told them they couldn't suicide at all. Definitely wrong! Although it didn't hurt my daughter, I have to wonder how many women it could have affected.

I understood that not going to the max number of prefs or not listing all the parties that you preffed would be treated the same way: not maximizing options. So you couldn't be a quota addition, but that you could be snap bid or COBed. Is that not how you understood it?

carnation · #10 08-12-2007, 10:12 PM

Well, if they'd suicided but not gotten a bid, they still could have COBed, just not received a snap bid, I believe.

UGAalum94 · #11 08-12-2007, 10:17 PM

It wouldn't make much sense to have different outcomes for a girl who didn't attend the max pref or didn't list all the groups, to me anyway. Either way, they declined the interest of one group. I don't think either one should be penalized, unless not being eligible for QA is a penalty.

jwright25 · #12 08-12-2007, 10:55 PM

The rule about being forced to ATTEND Preference parties is a campus-to-campus thing. For instance, one campus that I work with has the rule that if you do not attend all parties to which you are invited, you will be released from recruitment by Panhellenic. ** I should note that the NPC MOI does state that the quota additions process should not include those women who failed to attend events for which there was room on their schedules. Not a unanimous agreement, but still a strong recommendation. So some campuses can choose to boot PNMs altogether for skipping parties unexcused, but others would just exclude them from QA.

However, no campus can force a potential member to RANK all chapters that they preffed. The only "penalty" or consequence of suiciding (intentional single preference) is the risk of not getting matched through regular matching or quota additions.

As an example: Many many campuses are now using ICS for recruitment (fabulous). ICS keeps track of all parties that PNMs are invited to and that appear on their schedules. If a PNM is invited to two preference parties, but only physically attends one and then ranks only one, ICS still shows her as a non-maximizing PNM. It shows that she received two invitations and therefore should rank two chapters. If a PNM receives only one preference invitation and then attends and ranks only one, she shows as a PNM who maximized.

So when we are assigning quota additions, we look only at those who maximized their options but remained unmatched. The non-maximizing are immediately set aside. While a woman who ISP'ed and didn't match is ineligible for QA, she is eligible for snap bidding - though chances are good that she will not accept the snap bid since she already indicated that she would accept a membership invitation from only chapter.

carnation · #13 08-13-2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jwright25

. However, no campus can force a potential member to RANK all chapters that they preffed. The only "penalty" or consequence of suiciding (intentional single preference) is the risk of not getting matched through regular matching or quota additions

Thank you for enlightening us there! Two of my daughters have been at campuses where they were told they had to rank both and I've always wondered what could have resulted from that.

Mama Dawg · #14 08-13-2007, 12:53 PM

Can someone explain how the continuous open bidding (COB) works....my D was invited back to 6 of 12 events today...4 were her favorites, and she is a legacy in her number 1 choice with personal recs from my sorority sisters who've known her since birth. If, heaven forbid, she is cut out of her top choices tomorrow, I see her as not going forward. If that happens, can she receive a COB, and who really does that? Our chapter always made quota.

Confused and hoping for the best . . . .

33girl · #15 08-13-2007, 01:04 PM

The chapters that will be COBing are those who:

1) Are at total but didn't make quota - can open bid up to quota
2) Aren't at total but did make quota, but quota failed to bring them up to total - can bid up to total
3) Don't make quota or total - can bid up to total