Parts of a woman in a suitcase

[AGDee]

I doubt this has made national news yet but this has me totally freaked out. This happened about 1/4 mile from my kids' high school. Police are saying they believe it was a stranger who did this, not the boyfriend or brother. I have warned hypoallergenic (haha.. I can refer to her as her GC name now) to call/text me when she's leaving somewhere and when she arrives at her destination. I have warned her that if her car breaks down or someone hits her to lock the car doors, roll up the windows and call 911. Warning her and her friends to not let someone walk alone or bike alone anywhere, to stay in groups.

This has me FREAKED out. The city where this happened is a sleepy little town of 5000 with extremely little crime.


http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...s-in-gibraltar

[PM_Mama00]

I know too many people who live within a block from there. (not to mention my fave Mexican restaurant) If it was a stranger it had to have been brought on by her.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

If it was a stranger it had to have been brought on by her.

I hope that I am reading this wrong and that you are not blaming the victim for the actions of someone else. Please clarify.

Dee- I watched the video, but obviously do not live in your region of the country. Has there been an explanation as to how/why it was the brother who happened upon the suitcase and just happened to have opened it?

[MomofPNM11]

PM_Mama00, please explain your comment. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply the murder victim caused her own death. She had a broken ankle which may have made her an easy target. Is that what you meant?

Blondie93, I believe the brother was searching for his missing sister in the river behind her condo when he found the suitcase.

[AZTheta]

Again I will recommend Gavin DeBecker's book, The Gift of Fear. I learned so much about how to be aware of my surroundings, how to protect myself, etc. Ted Bundy was skillful in the way that he lured his victims into his web. You just never know.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I know too many people who live within a block from there. (not to mention my fave Mexican restaurant) If it was a stranger it had to have been brought on by her.

Since you have not provided an alternate explanation for your comments:

Go fuck yourself, you victim-blaming asshole.


/these comments to be revised should an alternate explanation actually arise.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by MomofPNM11

PM_Mama00, please explain your comment. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply the murder victim caused her own death. She had a broken ankle which may have made her an easy target. Is that what you meant?

Blondie93, I believe the brother was searching for his missing sister in the river behind her condo when he found the suitcase.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Since you have not provided an alternate explanation for your comments:

Go fuck yourself, you victim-blaming asshole.


/these comments to be revised should an alternate explanation actually arise.

My first explanation will be toward Drolefille... I work M-F, and I'm gone between 7am-7pm. My Saturdays aren't used to sit on Greekchat. I'm not a coward like some posters on this board.

Dee knows my feelings on this story. People from our area have been discussing it on FB.

MomofPNM- Thank you for not being an assuming dumbass.

Yes, I should have elaborated but didn't get a chance seeing as how I had to run out to errands and hit the button quickly. Didn't think I'd get THAT response. I'm not blaming her, but because of how our community is, if it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.

I have strong feelings that it was the brother. People who were boating in the creek alerted him to the suitcase... which I find weird because where are these people now? The brother is the one who opened to the suitcase to find her. He also did an interview with a local news station and seemed rather calm. I find this all very odd, because if I found ANY body in a suitcase I'd be a basket case. Dee had explanations for why he may have been calm. I still get a weird vibe.

Thursday night and Friday morning were a little nerve-wracking, as we didn't get a name or picture till later Friday. When something this close happens, in a community where about 60-70% of people spread within 5-8 cities/townships know each other, you wonder if it was someone you knew. One of my best friends' parents live right there and you think the worst but hope the best. I really hope they find out who her killer/s is/are. This is a gruesome situation.

[AGDee]

They had reported her missing to police on Monday night. Then her brother was going door to door with her driver's license to see if anybody had seen her. One of the people he talked to called him later to tell him there was a suitcase in the creek. The brother went and got the suitcase and opened it and then called police. I know PM_Mama thinks the brother did it but I'm not so sure. The police appear pretty confident that it was a stranger.

The brother was really calm in the video but I've seen my brother like that too. After my mom died, I was an emotional basketcase and my brother was Mr. Professional, handling everything and only breaking down in private. That's why I think the brother could have maintained his cool on camera. That's how some people roll.

While I can't speak for PM_Mama, I think everybody around here was hoping the body found initially was someone from Detroit who just happened to get dumped here or something. We don't WANT to believe that someone local has done this. That said, it's only a couple miles from I-75 and it's a secluded area so it could have been someone who stopped in the area and not someone who actually lives around here. We don't want to believe that someone who lives around here is capable of this. I know I don't.

[SigKapSweetie]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

Again I will recommend Gavin DeBecker's book, The Gift of Fear. I learned so much about how to be aware of my surroundings, how to protect myself, etc. Ted Bundy was skillful in the way that he lured his victims into his web. You just never know.

I LOVE this book and recommend it to everyone I know. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

[SydneyK]

What an awful story. So sad and gruesome.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'm not blaming her, but because of how our community is, if it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.

(bold emphasis mine)
I want to think the best here, but it still sounds like you're blaming her. Kinda how someone says 'No offense, but' just before saying something they know is offensive.
Just because a particular murder isn't random, it doesn't mean it was brought on by the victim.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

What an awful story. So sad and gruesome.


(bold emphasis mine)
I want to think the best here, but it still sounds like you're blaming her. Kinda how someone says 'No offense, but' just before saying something they know is offensive.
Just because a particular murder isn't random, it doesn't mean it was brought on by the victim.

Ok let's bring this back to high school composition classes since we're going to pick apart people's words and try to analyze them, and give our own interpretations.

There is no "No offense, but". My point is that I am NOT... NOT... blaming her AT ALL. (I can bold too) If it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.(Yep I copy and pasted that because I don't feel like retyping everything out)

This is not saying that it is her fault. Is it a girl's fault that she was raped while on a date? No. Is it my friend from high school's fault that she married a "To catch a predator" kinda guy? No. It happens.... IN OUR COMMUNITY.... and it doesn't have to be the girl's fault. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY "BROUGHT ON BY HER".

Just so everyone knows, I have plans tonight. So if you have more to pick apart and I don't answer, it's not because I can't verify my post or what I meant, it's because I have a life.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

My first explanation will be toward Drolefille... I work M-F, and I'm gone between 7am-7pm. My Saturdays aren't used to sit on Greekchat. I'm not a coward like some posters on this board.

Oh, the tired "I have a life" reasoning that somehow implies that no one else does. Boring.
Who're these here cowards?

MomofPNM- Thank you for not being an assuming dumbass.

Just used your own words there, didn't have to assume anything.

Yes, I should have elaborated but didn't get a chance seeing as how I had to run out to errands and hit the button quickly. Didn't think I'd get THAT response. I'm not blaming her...

Your words were, and your response is still ass backwards. "I didn't mean it was her fault, I'm just saying that she had to have known him."

All your speculation aside, I'm going to guess the police looked at the brother first and unless this is spectacular misdirection on their part, probably ruled him out.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Ok let's bring this back to high school composition classes since we're going to pick apart people's words and try to analyze them, and give our own interpretations.

Oh yes, lets.
"Brought on by her" implies she had control over the situation. She did the action, by "bringing" it "on." You did not say "someone she had contact with" or "someone from outside the community that knew her" because really that is speculation and wishful thinking. Which many people do following a tragedy. It is, after all, far more easy on the mind if it's not someone you know.

There is no "No offense, but". My point is that I am NOT... NOT... blaming her AT ALL. (I can bold too) If it was a stranger, it had to be someone she had come into contact with.... not just a random murder. Maybe someone from the internet she knew, maybe a drug situation (not a violent community but filled with many drug users), maybe someone from a bar. A neighbor that had a problem with her. That is what I meant by brought on by her.... that it wasn't a RANDOM murder.(Yep I copy and pasted that because I don't feel like retyping everything out)

So, a "stranger" to you means "not a stranger?" Do you not understand what the definition of "stranger" means? A random encounter at a bar is a stranger, a neighbor is not. A drug dealer is not a stranger, nor is an internet friend.
Additionally, your use of the phrase "brought on by her" would get you flunked out of high school comp if you were using it to suggest "she brought this individual into the community."

Moreover, it is wishes and rainbows to insist that it could not have been someone from IN the community who was the murderer just because you know them. Obviously we don't know who the murderer was yet, no matter who it turns out to be, your belief is still based on sprinkles and cupcakes.

This is not saying that it is her fault. Is it a girl's fault that she was raped while on a date? No. Is it my friend from high school's fault that she married a "To catch a predator" kinda guy? No. It happens.... IN OUR COMMUNITY.... and it doesn't have to be the girl's fault. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY "BROUGHT ON BY HER".

That is not what those words mean. Good try though. I mean, I know what you're trying to say now, but eh, you did a shitty job of it and I think you have no factual basis for it other than you want it to be true.

Just so everyone knows, I have plans tonight. So if you have more to pick apart and I don't answer, it's not because I can't verify my post or what I meant, it's because I have a life.

You want a cookie or something?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

While I can't speak for PM_Mama, I think everybody around here was hoping the body found initially was someone from Detroit who just happened to get dumped here or something. We don't WANT to believe that someone local has done this. That said, it's only a couple miles from I-75 and it's a secluded area so it could have been someone who stopped in the area and not someone who actually lives around here. We don't want to believe that someone who lives around here is capable of this. I know I don't.

I get that. That makes a lot of sense, really as a coping skill, but it doesn't make it true, unforunately. And in the process of trying to remove the killer from the general population PM_Mama really did imply at least some level of blame, if only a bare minimum of "she brought him into the community."

[AGDee]

The police implied that they have ruled out the woman's boyfriend and brother. Those were the two most likely "known" people to have done it.

All the women and teenage girls around here are being very careful though. I've read enough stories about serial killers to know that a lot of the time, people considered them charming and nice guys.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

The police implied that they have ruled out the woman's boyfriend and brother. Those were the two most likely "known" people to have done it.

All the women and teenage girls around here are being very careful though. I've read enough stories about serial killers to know that a lot of the time, people considered them charming and nice guys.

Yeah they can, and without knowing the reason for the murder or the pattern of a potential serial killer, all of a sudden everyone is a possible 'next victim.'
And someone who can dismember a victim would seem to fall into the antisocial/sociopathic sees victim as 'meat' category so it's not an unreasonable fear. Hopefully the police find the killer quickly and put an entire community at ease.