More demands from Islam

[jon1856]

This is a rather interesting video from what seems to be a British version of Youtube.
Kind of what you could see at the end of 60 Minutes.
http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredema...etting=en_1618

[Drolefille]

First, the title. As if the religion is demanding anything.

Secondly I laughed when there was a comment about pharmacists refusing to sell birth control. I guess each country has its own religious conservatives who think that their version of God's law should be the country's law. The guy's clearly anti-Muslim. But really, who cares if there was a mosque, even a large one, in the same vicinity as the Olympics. The extremist issue doesn't seem to be a problem for him since he seems to think all Muslims fit into that category.

His points of freedom over faith and very legitimate criticisms of the Saudis are lost in the shuffle.

[epchick]

I'm sorry, I'm confused as to why its such a big problem for everyone else if Muslim clerks don't want to handle alcohol? That dude needs to take a chill pill.

I do semi-agree with his idea of Saudi Arabia and the royal family. But the idea of Islam=terrorism is soooo tired. Seriously, get over it.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by epchick

Islam=terrorism is soooo tired. Seriously, get over it.

Islam doesn't necessarily mean someone is a terrorist, but it is a reliable indicator as to whether someone supports or participates in terrorism compared to individuals in other cultures/religions.

Also, the gentleman in the above linked video seems to be protesting a certain form of extremist Islam which is almost exclusively the breeding ground for terrorist ideology.

The idea is repeated so often because it has a kernel of truth.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Islam doesn't necessarily mean someone is a terrorist, but it is a reliable indicator as to whether someone supports or participates in terrorism compared to individuals in other cultures/religions.

Really is it now?

Me thinks the Brits have had a long experience with terrorism that isn't from just one ideology... just because this "special person" echos you're a not-so-closet bigotry when it comes to Islam doesn't make it so.

This guy just polishes up his xenophobia and underlying bigotry so that it doesn't come off so bad - doesn't change the fact that the underlying motivation for the message is still shit.

The idea is repeated so often because it has a kernel of truth.

The idea is often repeated by xenophobes and bigots, that doesn't make it true - especially given the same social issues (birth control, booze, women's rights, etc.) can be pointed to in parts of America and Canada that are very "Christian" or Mormon.

[Kevin]

You call it xenophobia.

I call it a reasonable response when a host culture exhibits hostility to an immigrant group which demands special accommodations which involve the host culture changing the way they live/behave.

You think he's a xenophobe for not agreeing that the British extremist Muslims should be allowed to set up their own religious courts?

[epchick]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Islam doesn't necessarily mean someone is a terrorist, but it is a reliable indicator as to whether someone supports or participates in terrorism compared to individuals in other cultures/religions.

Really? So, by your logic, if someone is Muslim they automatically support terrorism? I think that is such a skewed way of viewing people.

Muslims aren't the only terrorists in the world.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by epchick

Really? So, by your logic, if someone is Muslim they automatically support terrorism? I think that is such a skewed way of viewing people.

Muslims aren't the only terrorists in the world.

By my logic? You are reading into things a bit too much.

I know lots of Muslims who are great folks. They are not psychotic fundamentalists. Fundamentalists are the problem, not regular Islamic folks. There are Muslims who support terrorism and those who don't.

As for those who do, I hope the government finds them and kills or imprisons them. As for 'tolerating' them, no, they have declared war on the west, and for that, they should die.

There are, however, a lot of fundamentalists out there who think terrorism is A-OK. Eff them. I wouldn't mind seeing them hanged in the public square for their beliefs.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by epchick

Really? So, by your logic, if someone is Muslim they automatically support terrorism? I think that is such a skewed way of viewing people.

Muslims aren't the only terrorists in the world.

He explicitly stated that being Muslim does not mean that you support terrorism. To say that a majority of terrorists, especially international, are not Muslim would be a lie though. Nobody is trying to say that all Muslims are terrorists but everyone involved in the 9/11 attacks, the Embassy bombings, and the USS Cole were. There are crazy middle aged white guys who like to send people mailbombs and blow up federal buildings in Oklahoma but once again, we're talking about a majority of terrorists.

[skylark]

I think that there is a lot that we can do and should do to accommodate other belief systems and most of it is pretty reasonable most of the time. However... I do think there are limits and the alcohol/birth control thing crosses one of them.

I just don't think that anyone whose employment duties partially include selling alcohol and/or birth control can ask for an accommodation not to do so. Either work at a place that doesn't sell those things or suck it up and pray for the people who you're selling it to. Most people's paychecks are set salaries and aren't based on the actual things that you sell or do not sell. So if these people think that abstaining from selling alcohol but receiving the partial profits from that employer's spoils in the form of a paycheck is less hypocritical, I have a hard time thinking they're either idiots or else have an ulterior motive in wanting to impose their own religious beliefs on others.

Whenever I think about these situations (mainly the pharmacist/Plan B situation that Target and Walmart pharmacies condone) I can't help but wonder whether a McDonalds could be required to allow an kosher jewish employee to refuse to sell cheeseburgers. How would that go over at a McD's? "Oh I'm sorry, I'll have to get my gentile friend over here to ring up the cash register because -- no judgment -- but I think its a sin." Yeah, right.

[moe.ron]

So, who represent Islam?