why join? (sure already asked)

[hockeydude1234]

why join a frat?

i know freindship obv

connections w.work, etc...

obv the goood parties im guessing, as without being greek....

socials/mixers cool?

easy to meet girls get laid?


what im trying to get at is it worth the lower GPA when you pledge, as everyone i know who pledged is sub 2.5.......so ?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Although your post is somewhat insulting, I'll point out one thing to you: on most campuses, greeks have higher GPAs than the non-greeks. Look into it.

[TSteven]

If you have to rationalize joining a fraternity, then doing so might not be in your best interest.

[tld221]

if youre sure the question has been asked, then why werent you sure enough to look for the answer?

maybe you shouldnt join a fraternity - dont want your GPA going down anymore than it appears to be and all...

[hockeydude1234]

i just dont know whayt frats do besides mixers, etc..

[12dn94dst]

check out a national website or two. or find a fraternity member and ask.

[nwu43]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Although your post is somewhat insulting, I'll point out one thing to you: on most campuses, greeks have higher GPAs than the non-greeks. Look into it.

I didn't even know that (just curious if you have a source? I'd like to show that to some of my high school friends and relatives that I'm trying to convince to go greek )


In any case, Hockeydude, I don't think you can generalize that much and say that pledging lowers GPA just because of some friends/ppl you know. Is *each* one of them from a different fraternity and representative of that fraternity? Greek organizations aren't all the same, and if they're all from one or two of the same frats, it could be just those frats in particular that have issues that you're concerned about (and even that isn't necessarily true because it is doubtful that a handful of people can represent a whole organization)

You also already said in your first post what frats do besides mixers.

IMO, the long lasting friendships and alumni connections alone make it worthwhile to join a fraternity. I also think being Greek in general (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) can improve your resume and help you with getting a job in future especially if you take on leadership positions.

[Tom Earp]

If you do not have enough gumption to check out what Greeks stand for and do, they may not be right for you?

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by nwu43

I didn't even know that (just curious if you have a source? I'd like to show that to some of my high school friends and relatives that I'm trying to convince to go greek )

Example from UGA as of Fall 2006 (It's on the Panhel website):
All Men's Average: 3.01
All Fraternity Average: 3.10 (Fraternity men are .09 higher than other guys)

All Women's Average: 3.23
All Sorority Average: 3.29 (Sorority women are .06 higher than other girls)

All Undergraduate Average: 3.12
All Greek Average: 3.23 (Greeks are .11 higher than other undergrads)

Some other statistics from the IFC's Spring 2006 Report:
All Men's Average: 3.04
All Fraternity Average: 3.17 (Fraternity men are .13 higher than other guys)
Fraternity New Member Average: 3.00 (Yes, this is certainly lower than the 3.04 men's average... but this certainly doesn't indicate a massive number of guys with below a 2.5 as the OP suggested)

A lot of schools have similar reports available.

To the OP: If you have several friends who pledged, why not ask them why they think you should join?

[susan314]

Originally Posted by nwu43

I didn't even know that (just curious if you have a source? I'd like to show that to some of my high school friends and relatives that I'm trying to convince to go greek )

I'd check the Greek Affairs website for the school that they are planning to attend - there may be data specific to that school available.

BGSU has reports on their website - the fraternity men's GPA is higher than the all men's GPA, and the All Greek GPA is higher than the non-Greek GPA.

http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/sa/greek...page15839.html

You can search other school websites for similar info.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by hockeydude1234

why join a frat?

i know freindship obv

connections w.work, etc...

obv the goood parties im guessing, as without being greek....

socials/mixers cool?

easy to meet girls get laid?


what im trying to get at is it worth the lower GPA when you pledge, as everyone i know who pledged is sub 2.5.......so ?

Since most of the posts in response you to you are borderline asshole-ish, I figured I'd reply.

To be honest, you named off quite a few of the things that come with joining a solid, good fraternity. I don't find your post insulting at all, and frankly, I don't know why anyone would, maybe the part about getting laid, but who cares.

I don't know where you are in school, but joining a fraternity can open up many doors for you. Good chapters are going to have quite a few powerful alumni, which translates into damn good connections for your post grad years. Everything else, in my opinion, is an added bonus. Again, it all depends on where you are and who you decide to pledge....but the right fraternity will have great parties, good trips, great relationships with good sororities, and lot s of good guys who will be your friends for life. I think the friendships that you make is probably the best part. And with these friends comes even more oppurtunities in the way of entertainment, going places, etc. etc. Trips and getaways with a handful of your fraternity brothers are always a hell of a good time.

As for grades.....most chapters I know of have grade point averages that you have to make in order to get initiated. Usually something in the 2.5-3.0 range. Our pledge class average my freshman year was well above a 3.0.......I had a 3.8........so I wouldn't be too worried about it. Obviously though, if you screw around and don't get your work done, you will have crappy grades.

As for what fraternities do besides mixers and parties.........rush trips, chapter retreats, philanthropy events, golf tournaments, sorority functions......lot of different things, depends where you are, who you join.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Since most of the posts in response you to you are borderline asshole-ish, I figured I'd reply.

To be honest, you named off quite a few of the things that come with joining a solid, good fraternity. I don't find your post insulting at all, and frankly, I don't know why anyone would, maybe the part about getting laid, but who cares.

I don't know where you are in school, but joining a fraternity can open up many doors for you. Good chapters are going to have quite a few powerful alumni, which translates into damn good connections for your post grad years. Everything else, in my opinion, is an added bonus. Again, it all depends on where you are and who you decide to pledge....but the right fraternity will have great parties, good trips, great relationships with good sororities, and lot s of good guys who will be your friends for life. I think the friendships that you make is probably the best part. And with these friends comes even more oppurtunities in the way of entertainment, going places, etc. etc. Trips and getaways with a handful of your fraternity brothers are always a hell of a good time.

As for grades.....most chapters I know of have grade point averages that you have to make in order to get initiated. Usually something in the 2.5-3.0 range. Our pledge class average my freshman year was well above a 3.0.......I had a 3.8........so I wouldn't be too worried about it. Obviously though, if you screw around and don't get your work done, you will have crappy grades.

As for what fraternities do besides mixers and parties.........rush trips, chapter retreats, philanthropy events, golf tournaments, sorority functions......lot of different things, depends where you are, who you join.

ok if you pledged your freshman and you had a 3.8, then either youre talking about your HS GPA (which clearly doesnt count cause umm... we're in college now) or you're using your GPA from your FIRST SEMESTER. which means you what got 3 A's and maybe like a B+?

well by all means then, applause all around!!!![/sarcasm]

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by tld221

ok if you pledged your freshman and you had a 3.8, then either youre talking about your HS GPA (which clearly doesnt count cause umm... we're in college now) or you're using your GPA from your FIRST SEMESTER. which means you what got 3 A's and maybe like a B+?

well by all means then, applause all around!!!![/sarcasm]

I had a 3.8 my first semester and a 3.8 my second semester. I mean, that's what my transcript says......mabye they are playing a joke on me. As far as I know 4 As and a B, 15 hour course load...........is a 3.8.

Furthermore, I wasn't trying to brag. Didn't realize it was "let's be a tremendous dick head" day.

I'm glad you know how to be sarcastic though. [/sarcasm]

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I had a 3.8 my first semester and a 3.8 my second semester. I mean, that's what my transcript says......mabye they are playing a joke on me. As far as I know 4 As and a B, 15 hour course load...........is a 3.8.

Furthermore, I wasn't trying to brag. Didn't realize it was "let's be a tremendous dick head" day.

I'm glad you know how to be sarcastic though. [/sarcasm]

Honestly, even it it was just during your pledge semester, it's still a good result. I'm not sure why you got the attitude from other posters on that.

Although it may not be typical for NPHC groups, NPC and IFC groups do appeal directly to folks straight out of high school, and I'd say that the OP's list was probably what most guy PNMs are looking for. You're probably kidding yourself if you deny it.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I had a 3.8 my first semester and a 3.8 my second semester. I mean, that's what my transcript says......mabye they are playing a joke on me. As far as I know 4 As and a B, 15 hour course load...........is a 3.8.

Furthermore, I wasn't trying to brag. Didn't realize it was "let's be a tremendous dick head" day.

I'm glad you know how to be sarcastic though. [/sarcasm]

my bad - maybe that did come off like im a total jerkface! all i was saying was that rushing with a 3.8 as a freshman just means you did really well first semester. which is applaudable, i guess, but at the same time i know LOTS of folks who aced their first semester. depends on your courseload and your standards i guess.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Honestly, even it it was just during your pledge semester, it's still a good result. I'm not sure why you got the attitude from other posters on that.

partially my bad cause you DID say you had a 3.8 both semesters - and during your pledge time - great! now if you were MAINTAINING a 3.8 and you were like a sophomore/junior rushing, then i'd be REALLY impressed. (not that you need to be impressing me... you know? im jus saying)

and that's JMO outside of it being an NPHC vs. NPC/IFC issue - wasnt making it out to be that at all.

(sorry for the hijack!)