11 yr olds cupcake "business" shut down by local government agency....

[badgeguy]

http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/29/...upcake-seller/

Just saw this posted on my Facebook feed....this story (and the other one about the school taking lunches away) are totally insane!!

The saddest fact, regardless on how one stands on this issue is that people are found these things to other people!! Like any news report it's sad to see that there are those people out there who seem to have no moral guidance whatsoever!!

So much for trying to chase your dreams!! I guess this country IS going downhill....

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by badgeguy

The saddest fact, regardless on how one stands on this issue is that people are found these things to other people!! Like any news report it's sad to see that there are those people out there who seem to have no moral guidance whatsoever!!

So much for trying to chase your dreams!! I guess this country IS going downhill....

I am so confused by what point you're trying to make.

Regardless, I don't think this is a crazy story. A sixth grader baking and selling cupcakes occasionally shouldn't be an issue, but if she's trying to do this on an ongoing basis, then there are all kinds of issues (particularly health codes) that need to be addressed.

[DubaiSis]

If it goes beyond lemonade stand at the end of the driveway or school bake sale, it should be treated like a real business. It is FOOD, after all. And $200 a month to me says real business.

[tuco99]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

If it goes beyond lemonade stand at the end of the driveway or school bake sale, it should be treated like a real business. It is FOOD, after all. And $200 a month to me says real business.

Where do the people operating hot dog carts go to the bathroom and wash their hands?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by tuco99

Where do the people operating hot dog carts go to the bathroom and wash their hands?

In bathrooms.

Most cities create criteria for all of this stuff prior to allowing hot dog carts to exist.

[tuco99]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

In bathrooms.

Most cities create criteria for all of this stuff prior to allowing hot dog carts to exist.

Keep dreaming. They create the criteria yet rarely enforce it. The food truck operators are probably going in a bucket under the counter. The hot dog carts guys are probably going in an alley. If YOU are lucky they use a real bathroom and MIGHT wash their hands. Even if they do wash their hands they still handle tons of cash(which is very dirty) and do NOT wash their hands after handling the cash.

The health dept is too busy busting kids lemonade stands and cupcake stands doing $200 a month to check on the hot dog carts.

You can find tons of videos on line.


I like this video. A vendor at a Houston Astros game goes to the toilet to take a deuce and he puts the food on the floor in the stall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyCpTHBqqtA

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by badgeguy

Like any news report it's sad to see that there are those people out there who seem to have no moral guidance whatsoever!!

Huh?

This kid is trying to run a business, not just set up a cupcake stand. Applicable law requires a seperate kitchen (as it does almost everywhere in this country). And I'm betting the applicable law also defines the difference between businesses and a kid's cookie or cupcake stand.

The mom said:

. . . she wasn’t looking for special consideration for her daughter and would be willing to get the necessary licenses and permits to run a business.

“But a separate kitchen? Who can do that?” Heather Stirling said.

So yes, the mom is looking for special consideration for her daughter, consideration that says the law doesn't apply to her.

If this kid has adult dreams and wants to chase them, she needs to accept the adult responsibility that comes with the chase.

[tuco99]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Huh?

This kid is trying to run a business, not just set up a cupcake stand. Applicable law requires a seperate kitchen (as it does almost everywhere in this country). And I'm betting the applicable law also defines the difference between businesses and a kid's cookie or cupcake stand.

The mom said:


So yes, the mom is looking for special consideration for her daughter, consideration that says the law doesn't apply to her.

If this kid has adult dreams and wants to chase them, she needs to accept the adult responsibility that comes with the chase.

There are MILLIONS of illegals doing business in the USA and the goverment does nothing. The illegals do more than $200 a month.

We need cupcake reform.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by tuco99

There are MILLIONS of illegals doing business in the USA and the goverment does nothing. The illegals do more than $200 a month.

Yeah, something tells me that the local health inspector isn't really in the position to do much about deporting undocumented aliens.

Nice try, though, Max.

[StealthMode]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Nice try, though, Max.

That's what I was going to say.

Dee, that's terrible about your friend. She sounds so kind! I wonder what would have happened if she had kept cooking and just refused when people offered her money.

[tuco99]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Yeah, something tells me that the local health inspector isn't really in the position to do much about deporting undocumented aliens.

Fail. ARe you flipping on your applicable law requirements? YOUR main point was the kid was running a business and applicable law. There are MANY agencies that regulate business. Illegals do billions worth of illegal business. Do you think there are any applicalbe law issues that apply?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by tuco99

Fail. ARe you flipping on your applicable law requirements? YOUR main point was the kid was running a business and applicable law. There are MANY agencies that regulate business. Illegals do billions worth of illegal business. Do you think there are any applicalbe law issues that apply?

So what exactly are you trying to say?

That because illegals, there should be no enforcement of a health code and other laws?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by tuco99

Fail. ARe you flipping on your applicable law requirements? YOUR main point was the kid was running a business and applicable law. There are MANY agencies that regulate business. Illegals do billions worth of illegal business. Do you think there are any applicalbe law issues that apply?

Sure—the main one being that only the federal government has the power to deport. State and local governments, including health inspection agencies, do not have that power. What the local health inspector did here is irrelevant to questions of what the federal government is or isn't doing about undocumented aliens.

[pinksequins]

I am glad I am not the only one who found the post incoherent in part and unsustainable in others. OP, in addition to the points already made, this matter does not involve a moral issue. It is a legal matter.

[AGDee]

I have a friend who lives in a very small town and a few weeks ago, when lots of folks were snow bound, she started cooking. She's a fantastic cook and loves to cook for people. She always makes enough to feed an army. So she called a neighbor and told her she had lots of extra and did she want some. The neighbor gave her money to cover the cost of the food. The next day, she did the same with another neighbor. She ended up feeding a different family each day that week because they were snowed in the whole week (she's a teacher and had snow days). She got a letter from the health department that she had to stop. She was sad. They suggested she open a restaurant. She was like "I just want to cook for people, I don't want a business."

I see both sides of it. But, where do you draw the line? What about bake sales? Those happen all the time. I'm not familiar with the law so I don't know when it becomes a problem. Then again, I've had co-workers refuse to participate in pot lucks at work because they don't know what kind of shape other people's kitchens are in!