The NPHC 21st Century and Beyond.

[BluPhire]

Actually this is a spin-off of another topic I was having with alumni involving HBCU's and our future in the 21st century and beyond, so I would like to talk on the NPHC Greek life aspect of it. (Not trying to not include NIC and NPC, but I don't know much about your orgs inner workings and don't even want to attempt that, but if it does fit you all as well please feel free to join in)

Do you believe in this day and age, particularly with the rise of productive citizens in the community without Bachelors Degrees that the doors should be opened to allow alumni membership to those that have either excelled in their field or those who may only two year degrees?


I remember 10 years ago when I was fresh out of college this was actually brought up as topic of conversation concerning allowing community college students the ability to intake in the Collegiate city-wide chapter. Of course I was dead set against it. Now that I actually have some life experience (LOL) my mind has sort of changed on that. Just want to hear your opinions, pros, cons, personal stories, ideas in general.

Would it feel like we were watering down our respective orgs, by lowering our expectations? Are we limiting ourselves by not tapping into the potential of those that either aren't or feel their career path does not include a four year degree?

Just a query.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Do you believe in this day and age, particularly with the rise of productive citizens in the community without Bachelors Degrees that the doors should be opened to allow alumni membership to those that have either excelled in their field or those who may only two year degrees?

Would it feel like we were watering down our respective orgs, by lowering our expectations? Are we limiting ourselves by not tapping into the potential of those that either aren't or feel their career path does not include a four year degree?

No. In this day and age, people have access to college more than ever before. It's enough that some honorary members (for the orgs that still allow honoraries) don't have college degrees.

I also pray that we never allow collegiates from online schools like University of Phoenix even if they had some classes in a classroom; and never allow alumnae/alumni/graduate members with an online bachelors degree from online schools like University of Phoenix. That's not to be confused with colleges and universities that have online courses, hybrid course, and online degree components.

We aren't limiting ourselves by not considering those without 4 year degrees and we aren't starving for members.

[MasTNX]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No. In this day and age, people have access to college more than ever before. It's enough that some honorary members (for the orgs that still allow honoraries) don't have college degrees.

I also pray that we never allow collegiates from online schools like University of Phoenix even if they had some classes in a classroom; and never allow alumnae/alumni/graduate members with an online bachelors degree from online schools like University of Phoenix. That's not to be confused with colleges and universities that have online courses, hybrid course, and online degree components.

We aren't limiting ourselves by not considering those without 4 year degrees and we aren't starving for members.

Wow, that's a pretty strong statement. I can see not chartering chapters at non-traditional universities, although there are some NPHC orgs that have done so, but not accepting bachelor's degrees from U of Phoenix. That's strict. Would you like to see this as official, on the website posted for everyone to see, or more unofficial - like an applicant can try, but when his/her transcript is reviewed, rejection is imminent?

I could be wrong, but I believe I saw that some NPHC orgs have chapters at DeVry. What's your opinion on this? In my experience, the non-traditional university and community college have a lot in common.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by MasTNX

Wow, that's a pretty strong statement. I can see not chartering chapters at non-traditional universities, although there are some NPHC orgs that have done so, but not accepting bachelor's degrees from U of Phoenix. That's strict. Would you like to see this as official, on the website posted for everyone to see, or more unofficial - like an applicant can try, but when his/her transcript is reviewed, rejection is imminent?

I could be wrong, but I believe I saw that some NPHC orgs have chapters at DeVry. What's your opinion on this? In my experience, the non-traditional university and community college have a lot in common.

I have to agree. I didn't peep that before. What's up with that DrPhil? I don't even think we can do anything about that anyway nor should we want to. A degree is a degree if it's measured by the same standards. In fact, I have found that some online degree programs (I'm talking about the programs, not the schools) have accreditation that some "on the ground" school programs do not. If the on-line school/program is accredited by one of the regional accreditation bodies in the U.S. (as U. of Phoenix and many other online schools and programs are), the degree is no different from that issued by an "on the ground" school no matter how one personally feels about it. I would think that our ogs definitely have some members (inducted via alumnae chapters) with bachelor's degrees they achieved entirely online. Also, remember that many "on the ground" schools are now offering full degree programs online and this is only going to become more popular in the future. I have taken classes online and I found them to be, in some ways, more involved than "on the ground" classes, since I had to log in and interact with my classmates more than twice a week and write constantly because this is the major form of communication of course. Sounds like some still don't respect the online degree but this is changing. When you don't have to drive back and forth to class, break your neck to arrive on time from work, can work more easily around your schedule, and can spend that extra time with your kids and taking care of a household, the online degree option becomes more appealing although not a cake walk by any means. In fact, if you don't like to write a lot, the online degree will probably not be a great option for you. You will definitely improve your writing and comprehension skills since how well you communicate with your professor and classmates is a great contributor to your success.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I have to agree. I didn't peep that before. What's up with that DrPhil? I don't even think we can do anything about that anyway nor should we want to. A degree is a degree if it's measured by the same standards. In fact, I have found that some online degree programs (I'm talking about the programs, not the schools) have accreditation that some "on the ground" school programs do not. If the on-line school/program is accredited by one of the regional accreditation bodies in the U.S. (as U. of Phoenix and many other online schools and programs are), the degree is no different from that issued by an "on the ground" school no matter how one personally feels about it. I would think that our ogs definitely have some members (inducted via alumnae chapters) with bachelor's degrees they achieved entirely online. Also, remember that many "on the ground" schools are now offering full degree programs online and this is only going to become more popular in the future. I have taken classes online and I found them to be, in some ways, more involved than "on the ground" classes, since I had to log in and interact with my classmates more than twice a week and write constantly because this is the major form of communication of course. Sounds like some still don't respect the online degree but this is changing. When you don't have to drive back and forth to class, break your neck to arrive on time from work, can work more easily around your schedule, and can spend that extra time with your kids and taking care of a household, the online degree option becomes more appealing although not a cake walk by any means. In fact, if you don't like to write a lot, the online degree will probably not be a great option for you. You will definitely improve your writing and comprehension skills since how well you communicate with your professor and classmates is a great contributor to your success.

Also just to add my two cents, University of Phoenix does have a campus in some cities.

Also since a day has passed it seems my theory that I would hear more from the sororities of the NPHC than fraternities has been unfortunately proven correctly.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MasTNX

Wow, that's a pretty strong statement. That's strict.

GOOD.

Originally Posted by MasTNX

I could be wrong, but I believe I saw that some NPHC orgs have chapters at DeVry.

I hope you're wrong.

I know all about Univ of Phoenix (and Strayer, et al) and its campuses. My original comments stand 100% and with zero exceptions.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

GOOD.



I hope you're wrong.

I know all about Univ of Phoenix (and Strayer, et al) and its campuses. My original comments stand 100% and with zero exceptions.

These two are in a class all by themselves so I don't think it's fair to judge other online schools/programs against them.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

These two are in a class all by themselves so I don't think it's fair to judge other online schools/programs against them.

Here is how these schools typically rank for general bachelor degree (or equivalent) programs:

1. Strayer
2. Univ of Pheonix
3. ECPI and Devry
4. The rest of them

But, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. LOL.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by MasTNX

I could be wrong, but I believe I saw that some NPHC orgs have chapters at DeVry.

That seems unlikely. DeVry doesn't really have the structure to support a Greek system. I suppose it's possible that undergraduates at DeVry could be involved in some sort of city-wide situation.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

That seems unlikely. DeVry doesn't really have the structure to support a Greek system. I suppose it's possible that undergraduates at DeVry could be involved in some sort of city-wide situation.

Yeah, these schools aren't structured for NPHC (or other GLOs) and neither are community colleges and technical schools. I imagine that poster was just trying to be the great equalizer.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yeah, these schools aren't structured for NPHC (or other GLOs) and neither are community colleges and technical schools.

Truth. When I was the national expansion director for my organization, we certainly had interested women who attended these schools, but it was simply not possible.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Actually this is a spin-off of another topic I was having with alumni involving HBCU's and our future in the 21st century and beyond, so I would like to talk on the NPHC Greek life aspect of it. (Not trying to not include NIC and NPC, but I don't know much about your orgs inner workings and don't even want to attempt that, but if it does fit you all as well please feel free to join in)

Do you believe in this day and age, particularly with the rise of productive citizens in the community without Bachelors Degrees that the doors should be opened to allow alumni membership to those that have either excelled in their field or those who may only two year degrees?


I remember 10 years ago when I was fresh out of college this was actually brought up as topic of conversation concerning allowing community college students the ability to intake in the Collegiate city-wide chapter. Of course I was dead set against it. Now that I actually have some life experience (LOL) my mind has sort of changed on that. Just want to hear your opinions, pros, cons, personal stories, ideas in general.

Would it feel like we were watering down our respective orgs, by lowering our expectations? Are we limiting ourselves by not tapping into the potential of those that either aren't or feel their career path does not include a four year degree?

Just a query.

Let's be honest; we weren't ever meant to be all-inclusive. And none of us are hurting for members. So I don't think it would be a matter of watering down, or limiting ourselves. We are what our Founders envisioned us to be (minus the crazy stuff.)

[rhoyaltempest]

Having a Bachelor's degree is no big deal these days so I don't see a need for us to require anything less. As for SGRho, I really don't see this ever changing, especially since we started out as a teacher's sorority, encouraging those with 2 year Normal school educations to pursue their bachelor's and master's degrees in education from day 1 and promote higher education. As for extending membership to those productive members in the community who are top in their field/efforts (with or without a degree), that's what we use honorary membership for (and keep in mind that honorary members can be very active; some of ours are even part of alumnae chapters). As for those with no degree (however successful in other ways) or just a 2 year degree, that's what our affiliate organization, the Philos are for.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Having a Bachelor's degree is no big deal these days so I don't see a need for us to require anything less. As for SGRho, I really don't see this ever changing, especially since we started out as a teacher's sorority, encouraging those with 2 year Normal school educations to pursue their bachelor's and master's degrees in education from day 1 and promote higher education. As for extending membership to those productive members in the community who are top in their field/efforts (with or without a degree), that's what we use honorary membership for (and keep in mind that honorary members can be very active; some of ours are even part of alumnae chapters). As for those with no degree (however successful in other ways) or just a 2 year degree, that's what our affiliate organization, the Philos are for.

SGRho rocks. I guess the Philos who wish to be SGRhos must go through the proper channels to do so.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

SGRho rocks. I guess the Philos who wish to be SGRhos must go through the proper channels to do so.

Philos who want to be SGRhos must first obtain their bachelor degrees and this does happen. Some Philos are inspired by SGRhos to go back to school since they work closely with members or always planned to further their education. Once a Philo obtains her bachelor's degree, she is no longer eligible for Philo membership and can pursue membership in Sigma Gamma Rho although it is not guaranteed that she will become a member (they usually do though).

On the other hand, many Philos are happy being Philos and have no desire to become SGRhos or further their education. The younger ones usually want to go back to school at some point. Potential Philos cannot be enrolled in a 4 year degree program or possess a Bachelor's degree (that would make her eligible to pursue membership in SGRho) at the time of her induction. I am the Philo Advisor for my chapter and my mommy just became one in March. YAY!