Flooding in the Midwest

[TexasWSP]

Now, I watch the news just as much as the next guy...FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC...I watch it all. I'm not sure if anyone will agree, but I thought I'd make a thread about it. Does anyone else think the coverage of the disaster that is Iowa and the Midwest is rather minuscule considering how bad it truly is? I've heard three different times from new outlets over the past two days that right now, at this point, it's three times worse than Katrina....yet it seems like it is far less publicized. Maybe it's because people up there aren't shooting at cops and helicopters...I dunno, haha.

When Katrina happened you would have thought the world was ending....chaos, mass hysteria.

I mean hell, I haven't even heard anyone blame the natural disaster on Bush yet.....something's gotta give.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Now, I watch the news just as much as the next guy...FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC...I watch it all. I'm not sure if anyone will agree, but I thought I'd make a thread about it. Does anyone else think the coverage of the disaster that is Iowa and the Midwest is rather minuscule considering how bad it truly is? I've heard three different times from new outlets over the past two days that right now, at this point, it's three times worse than Katrina....yet it seems like it is far less publicized. Maybe it's because people up there aren't shooting at cops and helicopters...I dunno, haha.

When Katrina happened you would have thought the world was ending....chaos, mass hysteria.

I mean hell, I haven't even heard anyone blame the natural disaster on Bush yet.....something's gotta give.

I get most of my news from news websites, and there's been a good amount of coverage as far as I can tell. I have noticed, though, that TV isn't giving the flood that much coverage (at least not in the DFW area). Since coverage began, I thought the flood received less airtime because of the population density of the area (appx 1 million people in New Orleans vs. a seemingly similar amount spread over a larger area).

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Now, I watch the news just as much as the next guy...FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC...I watch it all. I'm not sure if anyone will agree, but I thought I'd make a thread about it. Does anyone else think the coverage of the disaster that is Iowa and the Midwest is rather minuscule considering how bad it truly is? I've heard three different times from new outlets over the past two days that right now, at this point, it's three times worse than Katrina....yet it seems like it is far less publicized. Maybe it's because people up there aren't shooting at cops and helicopters...I dunno, haha.

When Katrina happened you would have thought the world was ending....chaos, mass hysteria.

I mean hell, I haven't even heard anyone blame the natural disaster on Bush yet.....something's gotta give.

It's interesting, I've been thinking the same thing, that the coverage has been muted. The same thing happened a couple of years ago when there was massive flooding in upstate NY; a number of small towns were basically destroyed by the flooding, and yet there wasn't a whole lot of coverage about it. It seems like the same thing is happening here.

I really feel for the people in the Midwest, they're getting hit hard out there.

[UGAalum94]

I think the nature of the coverage is really different, and I don't know if it's the relative length of time it can take for a flood to happen and for waters to recede vs. a hurricane taking place in a much shorter span.

There doesn't seem to be the same sense of people in the Midwest being victims of bad government, but that can creep in overtime I suppose.

I'm not sure why there's not as much public outcry to provide assistance.

ETA: I don't really mean this post to seem so pessimistic. I think it's great that the flood disasters have been managed as well as they have, but it seems an opportunity to analyze the contrast in well-managed situations vs. chaos and we're not getting that kind of coverage.

[PhiGam]

Wheres Kanye? Oh yeah, getting booed off the stage at Bonnaroo.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Now, I watch the news just as much as the next guy...FoxNews, CNN, MSNBC...I watch it all. I'm not sure if anyone will agree, but I thought I'd make a thread about it. Does anyone else think the coverage of the disaster that is Iowa and the Midwest is rather minuscule considering how bad it truly is? I've heard three different times from new outlets over the past two days that right now, at this point, it's three times worse than Katrina....yet it seems like it is far less publicized. Maybe it's because people up there aren't shooting at cops and helicopters...I dunno, haha.

I think quite a bit of this depends on how you view "worse" - it's "worse" in the sense that property damage will amount to billions, entire towns are demolished, and there is water over a comparably immeasurable amount of territory.

However, I believe the death toll measures something like five, total - and I feel like that is the real deciding factor for news agencies.

I live in downtown Des Moines, right off the river - not many problems in that part of town, but levees broke upstream and downstream. Pretty minor compared to what could have happened - then again, the National Guard and local volunteers put up something like 2.5 million sandbags. The real problems happened in Cedar Rapids, Iowa City and smaller areas between the Iowa/Cedar basins and the Mississippi. Property damage in small towns isn't nearly as "sexy" as dozens of deaths.

If you can, though, dig out coverage locally - it is truly insane. Cedar Rapids last week, Iowa City now, and basically Burlington to St. Louis from today to next weekend should get crazy. Here's my favorite shot:

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

When Katrina happened you would have thought the world was ending....chaos, mass hysteria.

Another major (MAJOR) difference: local officials, working closely with the Army Corps of Engineers, have generally had solid plans and a good idea of what was going to happen. Evacuations, sandbagging efforts and reinforcement of levees (including creation of entirely new dikes on the fly) has been borderline seamless all over the state, even in places where it ultimately didn't matter (see: Iowa City).

Of course, this makes sense, because the intense amount of rain over the last 3 months gave plenty of warning, and projections change much more slowly. Additionally, flooding 15 years ago forced a complete evaluation of all levees and rivers, leading to much better build-up (and crazy good ability to predict where breaks would occur).

All this leads to a much more calm scenario, even when 30,000 people are evacuated and an entire city of nearly 200,000 sits under 8 feet of water. It sucks, but it's been handled incredibly efficiently - again, making the story much less sexy.

Honestly, my major take-away from all this has been that I really think much more Katrina blame has to go on local officials than I would have imagined in the past - local government has been, for the most part, outstanding here in the Midwest, and I've changed my mind quite a bit with the way I view actions pre- and post-Katrina in that light.

[UGAalum94]

This was the last paragraph in an article in the Atlanta paper:

"The American Red Cross said Monday its disaster relief fund has been completely spent, and the agency is borrowing money to help flood victims throughout the Midwest."

Seems like it would be worth pointing out closer to the lede.


Phi Gam: Maybe Kanye remains confident that Bush will continue to care about the predominately white people in the midwest, should it come to that level of federal response.

ETA: It just seems like we can learn from the successes even if they aren't as sexy, KSig RC. Evacuate early, etc.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Here's my take on why we're not seeing the desperate coverage and calls for assistance to the Mid West the way we did with New Orleans. Those of us over here on the west coast are used to seeing stories about the mid west getting flooded, and tornados. Of course this is far worse than what is typical, but many folks probably don't realize it. These photos of flooded out landscapes look the same to them as the flooded out landscapes we seem to see every year from that part of the country. They won't start to notice it until they go to the store this summer and wonder why the corn for their bbq is so expensive.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Here's my take on why we're not seeing the desperate coverage and calls for assistance to the Mid West the way we did with New Orleans. Those of us over here on the west coast are used to seeing stories about the mid west getting flooded, and tornados. Of course this is far worse than what is typical, but many folks probably don't realize it. These photos of flooded out landscapes look the same to them as the flooded out landscapes we seem to see every year from that part of the country. They won't start to notice it until they go to the store this summer and wonder why the corn for their bbq is so expensive.

That makes sense to me in terms of the amount of attention the average person is actually paying to the story, but it doesn't explain why the press isn't doing a better job with actually covering the reality (500 year flood), unless we've all just kind of accepted that they feed us the news that they think we want to watch.

ETA: if you just pull up the basic front page of the Atlanta paper: ajc.com, I don't even think a flood story appears, but they've got room for a link on horse vasectomies, wth?

[ISUKappa]

Obviously, as I live here, that's all I see on the news. I have had people from around the country (and even a friend in Finland) contact me to see if we were okay, so it must be on somewhere. The worst of the flooding in our area is over although there are still areas downstream and on the Mississippi that are currently of concern.

I agree part of it has to do with the location/population density. I mean, almost everyone has heard of New Orleans but maybe 1/4 of the country (probably less) has heard of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, or even care about Iowa in general. Multiple cities have been impacted with possibility of more as the flooding continues downstream. It's difficult to pinpoint one area whereas with Katrina, it was easy to focus on New Orleans.

Also, while 25,000 or so people were evacuated in Cedar Rapids, less than 20 people have died as a result of the flooding. And amazingly, looting is minimal. I was looking at the local paper today and they reported only one case so far.

What I don't think people realize is the economic impact these floods will have on consumers. Right now they're estimating 2-4% of the entire corn crop for the country is lost. Already corn prices are at record highs, but yields will be extremely low this year due to a cold, wet spring and the floods. Other commodities and produce will be affected as well. It is not going to be a good year for farmers.

ETA: Rob posted while I was in the middle of this post, and I agree with him also in the fact that we did have some time to prepare and do the best we could WRT sandbagging and creating barricades, even though much was for naught. While there have been disgruntled people, for the most part they are accepting of what the mayor, city council and governor have put into action. Hell, I can only shower every other day and can't flush our toilets until our water system is at 100% capacity and we were 15 blocks away from the worst of the flooding. It's not ideal, but I'll gladly take it if that means it will help recovery efforts. While this blows away the floods of '93, those also taught our cities lessons on preparedness and dealing with this type of catastrophe.

ETA2:
local news media websites:
www.gazetteonline.com - Cedar Rapids paper
www.dmregister.com - Des Moines paper

The image galleries from the Gazette are seriously insane.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by ISUKappa

Obviously, as I live here, that's all I see on the news. I have had people from around the country (and even a friend in Finland) contact me to see if we were okay, so it must be on somewhere. The worst of the flooding in our area is over although there are still areas downstream and on the Mississippi that are currently of concern.

I agree part of it has to do with the location/population density. I mean, almost everyone has heard of New Orleans but maybe 1/4 of the country (probably less) has heard of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, or even care about Iowa in general. Multiple cities have been impacted with possibility of more as the flooding continues downstream. It's difficult to pinpoint one area whereas with Katrina, it was easy to focus on New Orleans.

Also, while 25,000 or so people were evacuated in Cedar Rapids, less than 20 people have died as a result of the flooding. And amazingly, looting is minimal. I was looking at the local paper today and they reported only one case so far.

What I don't think people realize is the economic impact these floods will have on consumers. Right now they're estimating 2-4% of the entire corn crop for the country is lost. Already corn prices are at record highs, but yields will be extremely low this year due to a cold, wet spring and the floods. Other commodities and produce will be affected as well. It is not going to be a good year for farmers.

Worth reporting nationwide, wouldn't you say?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Here's my take on why we're not seeing the desperate coverage and calls for assistance to the Mid West the way we did with New Orleans. Those of us over here on the west coast are used to seeing stories about the mid west getting flooded, and tornados. Of course this is far worse than what is typical, but many folks probably don't realize it. These photos of flooded out landscapes look the same to them as the flooded out landscapes we seem to see every year from that part of the country. They won't start to notice it until they go to the store this summer and wonder why the corn for their bbq is so expensive.

I can't even describe to you how minimal yearly flooding is in comparison with what is happening. However, pictures could, so yeah - news.











Seriously, it's pretty much just because people didn't die - the extent of the damage is extraordinary.

[nittanyalum]

Wow, seeing the TOP of the carousel peeking out (that is what it is, right?) is breathtaking. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone affected. And I'll miss the corn at our 4th of July BBQ...

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Worth reporting nationwide, wouldn't you say?

Yes, but there's a difference between a 30-second story on a newscast and a full news special on the situation, YK? The flooding in the Midwest has gotten mention in most news coverage, but not more than that. It was on the Yahoo frontpage for most of the weekend as well as on CNN and MSNBC Thurs-Sat, but as the floodwaters have [mostly] receded in Cedar Rapids (the largest affected city) and are starting to in other parts of the state, the focus has switched from MAJOR FLOODING to flood recovery. That's not nearly as exciting.

The worst of the flooding happened last week, at least in Cedar Rapids. No one thought it would be as bad as it was. It was a complete freak of nature compounded by the fact that up until last weekend, it's rained every day in June, and not just nice spring rains, we're talking about massive thunderstorms. The Cedar and Iowa Rivers were already swollen upstream and the amount of rain we got last week, and the fact it came so fast, compounded that issue. It has been an extremely wet spring overall, so the ground was already completely saturated and there was no where else for the water to go.

ETA: after a quick search on some websites, cnn.com; msnbc.com, foxnews.com, The Washington Post, The Boston Globe all have some mention on their front page. The LA Times, NY Times and the AJC have stories, but under their US/Nation tabs. I'm sure it's that way with many other newspapers.

[UGAalum94]

It was kind of funny that when we turned on PBS the question being asked to a Missouri professor right then was "is this situation comparable to Katrina?"

And I think that's what seems strange about the coverage.

It's almost like the media don't have the same enthusiasm for showing the public instances of successful local and state governments working in concert with people taking personal responsibility to keep a disastrous situation from taking a huge toll in human life as they do in blaming people after other disasters and seeing people as victims. Why would that be?