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Old 05-07-2008, 11:38 AM
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Woman who killed officer pays traffic fines

Woman who killed officer pays traffic fines
ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) - The Howard County State's Attorney's Office says a driver who struck and killed a county police officer last year has paid her traffic fines.
Prosecutors say Stephanie Grissom of Columbia paid $310 in fines for speeding and negligent driving. She also received three points on her driving record.....
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=598&sid=1399706
http://www.abc2news.com/news/local/s...5-159891758388

Where is Rev Al??
Why not shut this city down as well?
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:11 PM
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Where is Rev Al??
Why not shut this city down as well?
Oh my god, Jon, what a ridiculous analogy. There are innumerable cases of car "accidents" where people have been killed (civilian and officer) where the punishment does not seem equitable and people seem to get away with little or no penalty even when a life has been claimed.

This woman driving 16 miles an hour over the speed limit and not seeing or steering around or stopping in time to not hit the officer (who stepped out in front of her) is NOTHING like 5 officers mowing down an unarmed man in a hail of 50 bullets, including a reloading.

Sounds like this revision to police policy in that area that trained their officers to step in front of speeding vehicles in LONG overdue:
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Since the Corporal’s death, the Department suspended the use of the Step Out method on roadways that exceed 35 miles per hour. All personnel will undergo extensive traffic training beginning this month.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:14 PM
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Oh my god, Jon, what a ridiculous analogy. There are innumerable cases of car "accidents" where people have been killed (civilian and officer) where the punishment does not seem equitable and people seem to get away with little or no penalty even when a life has been claimed.

This woman driving 16 miles an hour over the speed limit and not seeing or steering around or stopping in time to not hit the officer (who stepped out in front of her) is NOTHING like 5 officers mowing down an unarmed man in a hail of 50 bullets, including a reloading.

Sounds like this revision to police policy in that area that trained their officers to step in front of speeding vehicles in LONG overdue:
$310.00 for a life?
"No justice, No peace" would seem to fit this rather well.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:23 PM
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Jon, just in my personal life, I have known my friend's father who was killed when a woman who was reaching down to pick up a cassette tape (ok, it was a while ago) from the floor of her car backed over him while he was jogging and she got nothing; my brother's best friend's father was killed when a driver ran a red light and t-boned his car, no major penalty; a woman I know was killed when yet another driver ran a red light, there were suspicions she was under the influence of something, and yet still, got off with minor violations; the father of family friends was killed when he pulled over on the side of the highway to check something wrong under the hood, when he came around the front of the car to get to the door, another driver clipped him and killed him, nothing happened to the other driver.

Vehicular accidents unfortunately happen all day, every day. The officer stepped out in front of a speeding car and it had a tragic ending. Still, this is NOTHING even remotely similar to the NY situation.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:41 PM
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Jon, just in my personal life, I have known my friend's father who was killed when a woman who was reaching down to pick up a cassette tape (ok, it was a while ago) from the floor of her car backed over him while he was jogging and she got nothing; my brother's best friend's father was killed when a driver ran a red light and t-boned his car, no major penalty; a woman I know was killed when yet another driver ran a red light, there were suspicions she was under the influence of something, and yet still, got off with minor violations; the father of family friends was killed when he pulled over on the side of the highway to check something wrong under the hood, when he came around the front of the car to get to the door, another driver clipped him and killed him, nothing happened to the other driver.

Vehicular accidents unfortunately happen all day, every day. The officer stepped out in front of a speeding car and it had a tragic ending. Still, this is NOTHING even remotely similar to the NY situation.
I never said anything about the current situation in NYC.
Track record.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:50 PM
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The winky face doesn't change the fact that yes, you were, with the statements in your other posts.
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Old 05-07-2008, 12:54 PM
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The winky face doesn't change the fact that yes, you were, with the statements in your other posts.
I was not, until it was brought up.
At least not in this thread.

A $310.00 traffic fine plus points for killing anyone strikes me the wrong way.
I was not on the GJ that did not indite the driver. One can only wonder what they
heard or did not hear for them to make their decision.
And no one seems to have jumped up and asked why.

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Old 05-07-2008, 01:00 PM
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I was not, until it was brought up.
At least not in this thread.
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Where is Rev Al??
Why not shut this city down as well?
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"No justice, No peace" would seem to fit this rather well.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:04 PM
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^^^^You missed one:
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I never said anything about the current situation in NYC.
Track record.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:16 PM
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how much training do they need to not walk out in front of speeding cars?
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:19 PM
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how much training do they need to not walk out in front of speeding cars?
True-good question
Another one would be: how much training for a driver does it take not to hit someone. As story says, others (drivers) saw the officer in the road.

First thing I heard this morning was a two car accident right in front of my house.
A Jeep(RTM) ended up just about on top of a fire plug.
So there were police officers, firemen, EMTs, water dept men, and tow truck operators all over the
place. During rush hour. Not one was hit.

Perhaps that was on my mind more than just about anything else.

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Old 05-07-2008, 01:54 PM
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I don't really like making double-standard arguments, but yeah I agree somewhat. I don't hear the same outcry for police struck down, at least not from the same people. There are differences, like the power police are given because of their position. But when you run over someone or pick up a firearm, you're taking on additional responsibilities too.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:03 PM
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how much training do they need to not walk out in front of speeding cars?


That is an assinine statement!

I don't know how many times I was almost struck by dumb asses with lights going but they did not see them or a waving 5 cell flash light waving to warn drivers.

People do not pull to the left next lane, they just keep driving like in a fog.

A friend of mine on the KC Ks. Department was killed and it is hard to take.

All one ahs to do ios see Police Cars video cams to see Officers struck by cars and either killed are paralyzed.

The same thing goes for road crews or anyone else working on our highways!
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:13 PM
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We overuse the term "accident" with reference to vehicles (most auto crashes had at least some fault that makes "accident" kind of misleading), but some things in life are just accidents or mistakes that, while having dire consequences, do not rise to the level of unlawful behavior or negligence.

Life happens. There is no need to shoehorn everything into a racial or anti-hypocritical context that may or may not exist - keep the triangular pegs in the triangular holes.

I'll even posit that attitudes like Jon's are kind of ironic - it's an overreaction meant to highlight an entity's tendency to overreact or get on the soapbox. Congratulations! Now you're a hypocrite too!
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Old 05-07-2008, 03:02 PM
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That is an assinine statement!

I don't know how many times I was almost struck by dumb asses with lights going but they did not see them or a waving 5 cell flash light waving to warn drivers.

People do not pull to the left next lane, they just keep driving like in a fog.

A friend of mine on the KC Ks. Department was killed and it is hard to take.

All one ahs to do ios see Police Cars video cams to see Officers struck by cars and either killed are paralyzed.

The same thing goes for road crews or anyone else working on our highways!
still not the fault of the driver if he randomly walks out into traffic
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