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01-10-2008, 03:49 AM
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George W. Bush: Hazer
Whether or not you hate the guy, George W. Bush is the product of 1960s Greek hazing:
Source: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politic...e_037619_2.htm
"Psyched out
Three letters explain how former Clinton attack dog Lanny Davis scored an Air Force One ride to Washington after President Bush's recent Yale University commencement speech: DKE (Delta Kappa Epsilon), the fraternity Davis and Bush joined as Yale undergrads. The duo chatted for a long time on the ride home, mostly about the old days, like the time Bush hazed DKE recruit Davis. The lawyer tells us that he faced the normal five-hour hazing, ending with him standing beside a DKE brand shoved in a vat of hot coals. At this point, Bush and the others blindfolded Davis and asked him to lift his shirt. He did. Then Davis felt it: the hot sizzle of skin. But it was only a cigarette. "They really psyched me out," he says."
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01-10-2008, 04:11 AM
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Bush was a Skull & Bones guy. He joined DKE too?
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01-10-2008, 04:31 AM
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The 60's was a different time.
I'd say just about 100% of fraternity men in the 1960's were hazed.
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01-10-2008, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB
Bush was a Skull & Bones guy. He joined DKE too?
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Yes, he and his father are both DKEs.
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01-10-2008, 10:16 AM
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Hazing was still legal back then.
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01-10-2008, 10:24 AM
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Wonder if they did waterboarding . . .
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01-10-2008, 10:48 AM
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Wonder if they did waterboarding . . .
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I'd like to offer up a new form of torture/hazing. It's called 3 hours in a car with my 2 year old. After 15 minutes you'll be ready to pull out your hair. After 3 hours you will admit to anything just to make it stop! (I'll rent out this service to any fraternities in the area, just call if interested)
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01-10-2008, 12:19 PM
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FR, you may have just found the replacement to waterboarding.
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01-10-2008, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB
Bush was a Skull & Bones guy. He joined DKE too?
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Yes. Skull & Bones is not a fraternity.
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01-10-2008, 12:45 PM
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01-10-2008, 01:06 PM
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01-10-2008, 05:57 PM
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Hazing was still legal back then.
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Don't know that hazing has ever been "legal." Perhaps not prosecuted because people were less likely to complain.
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01-10-2008, 05:59 PM
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It wasn't illegal. And being that there are no ex post facto laws in the United States, I see nothing wrong with this article.
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01-10-2008, 06:05 PM
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It definitely was legal. Legal doesn't mean it was encouraged by everyone. But silence is the same thing as encouragement with hazing.
There have always been hazing complaints. I just read a website that documented hazing incidents from 1905. Such complaints, if they were able to make a case, just weren't covered under laws that specifically addressed hazing.
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01-10-2008, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
It definitely was legal. Legal doesn't mean it was encouraged by everyone. But silence is the same thing as encouragement with hazing.
There have always been hazing complaints. I just read a website that documented hazing incidents from 1905. Such complaints, if they were able to make a case, just weren't covered under laws that specifically addressed hazing.
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Makes sense. No "hazing" laws, but the acts may have been covered under other laws if the individuals wished to prosecute.
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