Sudanese Call for Execution of Briton

[jon1856]

This has been on on going story, for the past week, that just gets odder and stranger every day.
The "hard-liners" seem to want to go out of their way to find problems with the West.
KHARTOUM, Sudan (Nov. 30) - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/sudanes...00010000000001
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22039372/

[Scandia]

I cannot believe this is happening. How ungrateful of them.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Scandia

I cannot believe this is happening. How ungrateful of them.

Well, if one didn't think the Sudanese were f*cked up because of Darfur, heres just another example of their lunacy: Wanting to kill people over a teddy bear name. The British envoy that went down there today expect to have her on a plane back home by Monday. They should really consider cutting aid to Sudan as well since these people are just ingrates.

BTW, who in their right mind would want to go their now, or even send money to the "Save Darfur" funds??

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Well, if one didn't think the Sudanese were f*cked up because of Darfur, heres just another example of their lunacy: Wanting to kill people over a teddy bear name. The British envoy that went down there today expect to have her on a plane back home by Monday. They should really consider cutting aid to Sudan as well since these people are just ingrates.

BTW, who in their right mind would want to go their now, or even send money to the "Save Darfur" funds??

It is not "their" lunacy per se.
Just the "Ultra-Right" side of their religion.

As for the rest of you posting, unfortunatly you may be correct.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

BTW, who in their right mind would want to go their now, or even send money to the "Save Darfur" funds??

I would because a) I realize that it is the ultra-right religious nuts making all the noise, b) the fact that it is a multi-denominational Christian school no doubt inflames said ultra-right religious nuts, and c) it is these same ultra-right religious nuts that are the driving force behind the Darfur crisis.

So if anything people going along your ignorant and/or prejudiced line of thinking would actually be helping out these ultra-right religious nuts that outrage you...

It's amazing what a having a little knowledge can do in shedding light on a subject huh?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by RACooper

I would because a) I realize that it is the ultra-right religious nuts making all the noise, b) the fact that it is a multi-denominational Christian school no doubt inflames said ultra-right religious nuts, and c) it is these same ultra-right religious nuts that are the driving force behind the Darfur crisis.

So if anything people going along your ignorant and/or prejudiced line of thinking would actually be helping out these ultra-right religious nuts that outrage you...

It's amazing what a having a little knowledge can do in shedding light on a subject huh?

True.
However from what I have read over the past few days, the Government while perhaps not controlled 100% by the ultra-right sure does not seem all to willing or able to control them or at least balance them out.

Seems as if only moderate groups outside the Sudan area are voicing any complaints on the actions and activities going on within Sudan.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by RACooper

I would because a) I realize that it is the ultra-right religious nuts making all the noise, b) the fact that it is a multi-denominational Christian school no doubt inflames said ultra-right religious nuts, and c) it is these same ultra-right religious nuts that are the driving force behind the Darfur crisis.

So if anything people going along your ignorant and/or prejudiced line of thinking would actually be helping out these ultra-right religious nuts that outrage you...

It's amazing what a having a little knowledge can do in shedding light on a subject huh?

My post was more about the Sudanese government than the "religious nuts" you speak of. It's not proven but the Sudanese government has been accused of backing the genocide, as well as kidnapping and murdering the media that try to report on the crisis. And how is my line of thinking prejudiced and ignorant? Is it because I think we should stop funding governments that turn a blind eye to genocide?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RACooper

I would because a) I realize that it is the ultra-right religious nuts making all the noise, b) the fact that it is a multi-denominational Christian school no doubt inflames said ultra-right religious nuts, and c) it is these same ultra-right religious nuts that are the driving force behind the Darfur crisis.

So if anything people going along your ignorant and/or prejudiced line of thinking would actually be helping out these ultra-right religious nuts that outrage you...

Hey, if you're going to be a condescending dick in this thread, you should probably start by showing how the bolded conclusion follows from the rest of your post - because, as posed, it doesn't.

It's amazing what a having a little knowledge can do in shedding light on a subject huh?

It would be "amazing" for you to actually share that knowledge, instead of some sort of righteous indignation at points that don't align strictly with your own.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Hey, if you're going to be a condescending dick in this thread, you should probably start by showing how the bolded conclusion follows from the rest of your post - because, as posed, it doesn't.



It would be "amazing" for you to actually share that knowledge, instead of some sort of righteous indignation at points that don't align strictly with your own.

Well here is some amazing knowledge....

The teacher was freed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071203/...ritish_teacher

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Well here is some amazing knowledge....

The teacher was freed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071203/...ritish_teacher

That's probably the best of all possible knowledge - good news all around.

[Tom Earp]

Excellent news and if these people ever want help, they are doing a poor job of ever getting any more.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Hey, if you're going to be a condescending dick in this thread, you should probably start by showing how the bolded conclusion follows from the rest of your post - because, as posed, it doesn't.

I'm sorry I guess I erroneously assumed that taking money and political support away from the groups and movements opposed to the ultra-right religious nuts was indeed helping those said nuts... because that is what PiKA2001 was arguing.

It would be "amazing" for you to actually share that knowledge, instead of some sort of righteous indignation at points that don't align strictly with your own.

Ah so my "righteous ignination" is verbotten because it doesn't line up strictly with you, but PiKA2000's is? Got it

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RACooper

I'm sorry I guess I erroneously assumed that taking money and political support away from the groups and movements opposed to the ultra-right religious nuts was indeed helping those said nuts... because that is what PiKA2001 was arguing.

It may or may not be 'erroneous' r- that doesn't mean you've proven that any money donated to any of the Free Darfur campaigns actually goes directly against the so-called 'nuts', or severed any link between the government and the right-wing radicals. I'm not sure that PIKA was actually arguing that taking away the money really hurt the radical contingents, but rather that this type of poor governmental oversight and the concurrent outrage was indicative of why he thinks the region is in shambles. Either way, I don't really agree or disagree - I just thought your response was shitty.

Now, can you illuminate for us why you think that donating money to (largely humanitarian) aid groups for the "Free Darfur" movement actually shows any amount of opposition to the right-wing radicals? Can you really sever the link between the government (which has at least unclean hands, and at worst unofficially sanctioned the radicals' genocidal movement through inaction and etc.) and the radicals? Is there any ground to gain? It's not like you need to go through some sort of intellectual etiology, but seriously - re-read your post. It's as uninformative as you can get, for someone who claims the intellectual high ground. I just ask for some actual content.

This would be a much better conversation than some sort of fallacious begging of the question, in my mind.

Originally Posted by RACooper

Ah so my "righteous ignination" is verbotten because it doesn't line up strictly with you, but PiKA2000's is? Got it

That's not at all what I said, Rob - you have a habit of passing off opinion as fact, and I want you to actually share this knowledge you possess instead of talking down to others and not discussing their points of view.

Seriously, I don't know whether I agree with PiKA or not, and I didn't claim to agree with him. I'm just asking for you to actually, y'know, do the work instead of just claiming intellectual high ground - it comes across as pretty disingenuous otherwise.