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Old 06-12-2009, 12:40 PM
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Why is the Frat Boy Culture so Sleazy and Sex-Crazed?

National Sexuality Resource Center
Posted June 4, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/140416/

Why Is the Frat Boy Culture So Sleazy and Sex-Crazed?

By Nicholas L. Syrett, National Sexuality Resource Center

In the late 1980s the Florida News Herald reported that a Florida State University student had been gang raped by some fraternity brothers. Allegedly, the attackers painted the Greek letters of their house on her thighs, symbolically claiming her as they had also claimed her through sexual assault.

In 2001 Dartmouth College's campus newspaper, The Dartmouth, published graphic excerpts from Zeta Psi’s weekly newsletters in which brothers described their sexual encounters:

"She’s baaaaackk. And she’s dirtier than ever[;] if young [female name] hooks up with one more Zete, I’m going to need a flow chart to keep up.”

"Commenting on [Brother B]’s chances for a highly-coveted spot in the Manwhore Hall of Shame, [Brother C] said, ‘Are you kidding me? Rancid snatch like that makes you a fucking lock.’”

"Next week: [Brother X]’s patented date rape techniques!”

These two examples -- a gang rape fraught with symbolism and the misogynist publication describing sexual exploits -- are clearly extreme, but both of them are the logical outcome of a culture of masculine supremacy and sexual exploitation that has made its home in some college fraternities since the 1920s. While most do not participate in such acts, there is ample evidence to show that many, if not most, fraternity members are expected to report on sex they have for the entertainment of their entire house. College fraternities -- currently numbering three hundred fifty thousand undergraduate brothers with more than four million alumni -- have become a haven for a masculinity that takes sexual conquest as one of its defining characteristics. Indeed, the social science literature of the past three decades has shown that fraternity men are more likely than their nonaffiliated classmates to rape women, and some studies have estimated that as many as 70 to 90 percent of repor! ted campus gang rapes are committed by members of fraternities. This makes fraternities a dangerous place for the women who frequent their houses and attend their parties. In their sexist logic -- and in their own words -- "Brothers Over Babes" or "Bros Before Hos."

But fraternities and the men who join them have not always behaved this way. So where did the culture of sexual exploitation and masculine bragging come from? Clearly, the men’s behavior is a product of time, place, and cultural circumstance, not simply an instance of "boys will be boys." Nor is the behavior a natural outcome of all-male organizations, as even fraternities themselves have not always behaved this way.

Dating, 'Homosexuality,' and Frat Culture

In the early twentieth century two phenomena that we now take to be commonplace were invented. The first was dating and the second was homosexuality as a discrete identity category. Both have impacted fraternity culture. Dating arrived on college campuses in the 1920s. Fraternities, established a century earlier in the 1820s, and sororities, which had been founded on some college campuses by the 1870s, were the hubs of the collegiate dating scene. With rare exceptions fraternity men and sorority women dated each other in an exacting scale that was governed by each organization’s popularity. The reputations of the individual brothers and sisters and thus of their collective memberships were in part determined by whom they dated. Fraternity members were judged by their attractiveness, their charm, and by what they called "their line," the verbal method they used to make themselves appealing to young women. Popularity -- evaluated through dating women -- came to define! a properly enacted collegiate masculinity. And fraternity men themselves knew this; they picked new members based on the perceived expectation of potential brothers to attract women. As Dartmouth’s Zeta Psi boasted in 1924, "Brother ‘Stan’ Lonsdale has improved the already magnificent reputation he had attained in past years as Lothario and Don Juan put together, and as representative in the chapter in all women’s colleges within a radius of several hundred miles."

This celebration of men’s attractiveness to women necessitated a concurrent demand that brothers themselves recognize what made a man attractive. They had to come to terms with themselves as men evaluating other men’s good looks.

In a world like that of the nineteenth century United States, where there was little recognition of a homosexual subculture and where most men could not conceive of a man ! whose sexual desires were centered exclusively on other men, this would not have been a problem. But by the 1920s fraternity men did not live in such a world. They still don’t. By the early twentieth century -- thanks to sexologists, Oscar Wilde, Sigmund Freud (and his popularizers), as well the very people who identified with the label "homosexual" or "invert" -- that some men were in fact attracted exclusively to other men was widely understood. It was also at this time that masculinity itself became yoked exclusively to heterosexuality in a decisive refutation of homosexuality.

Thus, at precisely the moment when fraternity men were becoming highly conscious of the characteristics that made males attractive to females, and were indeed evaluating their brothers based on these characteristics, they were simultaneously coming to terms with the possible meanings of these evaluations. They were also in the compromising position of being members of organizations tha! t enrolled only single men, organizations that, through shared living! , bathing, sleeping, and erotic hazing practices, fostered an atmosphere of camaraderie, intimacy, and loyalty that most found to be the fraternity’s biggest selling point.

They were caught between a rock and a hard place, even more so when some fraternities actually did turn out to be havens for homosexually inclined students, as my own research indicates, and as Dorothy Dunbar Bromley and Florence Haxton Britten found in their fascinating 1938 study, Youth and Sex. From the 1920s onwards fraternity men have responded to this dilemma with the enactment of particularly active dating and sexual lives designed to refute suspicions of homosexuality and to assert heterosexuality, and thus masculinity. These practices have only increased throughout the twentieth century, in part as a reaction to the intensified denigration of homosexuality at mid-century and as a result of the increasing sexual permissiveness of college women in the wake of the sexual revolution of! the 1960s.

These were not conscious choices made by fraternity men, however. Rather, they were gradual changes over generations in response to cultural shifts like the advent of dating and the emergence of modern conceptions of homosexuality. It is also clear that these two phenomena are by no means exclusive to men in fraternities. That said, because fraternities remain organizations made up exclusively of single men, organizations that choose to haze their initiates in explicitly homoerotic ways and that foster an intimacy among men not common in society more generally, they compensate for what might be perceived by outsiders as either feminine or gay behavior by enacting a masculinity that takes aggressive heterosexuality as one of its constitutive elements. This often has adverse effects for the women with whom they interact.

Misogyny Rules when Sex Takes Center Stage

By the 1960s, as a result of the sexual revolution, college women were more willing to have sex before marriage. Fraternity men thus turned to them not just for dates but also for sex, rather than to the prostitutes and working-class women of earlier eras who had previously met their needs. In 1957 two sociologists found that fraternity members were particularly likely to have attempted to take advantage of their female dates, some using "menacing threats or coercive infliction of physical pain." Fraternity men in one 1960s study, despite having more sex than their nonaffiliated peers, expressed the highest rates of dissatisfaction because, in the estimation of the sociologists, the pressure upon them to have sex was so much greater. Finally, in 1967 sociologist Eugene Kanin concluded: "Erotic achievement is now evaluated by taking into account the desirability of the sex object and the nature of its acquisition. A successful ‘snow job’ on an attractive but re! luctant female who may be rendered into a relatively dependable sex outlet and socially desirable companion is considerably more enhancing than an encounter with a prostitute or a ‘one night stand’ with a ‘loose’ reputation." Sex was being used explicitly to bolster a man’s reputation amongst his fraternity brothers.

By the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries, fraternity men had built upon some of these traditions and elaborated others as well. For example, fraternities foster an atmosphere where long-term intimate relationships with women are actually discouraged. As Allen DeSantis has shown in his recent book, Inside Greek U, many fraternity men perceive their brothers’ girlfriends as a threat both to the time that the brothers might spend with the fraternity as well as to their loyalty to the brotherhood. Casual sex is valued more highly because it can be chronicled in a way that many are unwilling to do when it comes to the sex they have with girlfriends. Regular reporting on each member’s "conquests" further cements the bonds of brotherhood. This emphasis upon casual sex is part of a bigger problem, however. Social scientists have demonstrated that it places pressure on men who are not otherwise having sex to do so in order to save face, and this can lead to sexual assault. In order to ensure that brothers always have a steady supply of sexual partners, fraternities throw regular parties, often replete with grain alcohol punch. The parties are designed to supply intoxicated women who will either consent -- or succumb -- to sex.

Two other practices are also worthy of note. Some fraternity men take pleasure either in watching their brothers have sex with women or in being watched as they do so. One brother interviewed by anthropologist Michael Moffatt for his book Coming of Age in New Jersey put it this way: "When my friends pick up chicks and bring them back to the fraternity house everyone else runs to the window to look at somebody else domineer a girl and I tell you what you almost get the same satisfaction. Some of the guys like to put on a show by doing grosser things each time. . . . Watching my friends have sex with other girls is almost as satisfying as doing it myself. . . . By the same token I enjoy conquering girls and having people watch."

The view of women as objects of domination seems to preclude any understanding that women might be acting on their own desires. That they are exploiting these women -- regardless of the women’s own feelings or desires -- goes without saying for this brother. Indeed, he uses the verb "conquering" to describe what seems to be otherwise consensual sex. Finally, some brothers simply compete with each other to see who can have the most sexual encounters in a year. Like the infamous Spur Posse of 1990s Lakewood, California, these men keep a tally to determine who is the winner in a competition that has little with to do with the pleasure that may be gained from sexual acts themselves, and everything to do with bolstering one’s self-esteem and reputation through the perceived connections between masculinity and sexual exploitation. It is predicated on a double standard that sees women as lesser than men and as possessing something that must be coerced from them.

This version of sexually aggressive masculinity is not inevitable. The first generation of fraternity men would not have recognized it because they did not live in a world that denigrated their intimacy or encouraged them to prove their masculinity through sexual conquest, at least not to the degree that we see today. Of course not all fraternity men necessarily practice it, and just how many of them subscribe to this version of masculinity is impossible to calculate. That said, it should not surprise us that the structure and the historical context of the fraternity give rise to this phenomenon: an all-male organization intent on proving masculinity in a world where masculinity is seen as antithetical to intimacy amongst men, because that intimacy is too often understood to be "gay." Until fraternity men learn to be more comfortable with the intimacy fostered through the bonds of brotherhood without demanding its concurrent disavowal through homophobia and the conquest of women, it seems unlikely that women will be much safer on college campuses with active Greek populations.

© 2009 National Sexuality Resource Center All rights reserved.

Any thoughts on this article?

I have read the book mentioned here by Dr. Alan DeSantis. He is and has been a professor in the College of Communications (i've actually had one of his classes) at the University of Kentucky for years. His book research was done on the University of Kentucky greek life.
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Old 06-12-2009, 12:49 PM
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I certainly wouldn't limit it to fraternity men because I saw the same kinds of behaviors in my ex-husband's group of friends(second husband, non-greek). Additionally, to them (and to the fraternities, back in my day) there were two types of women.. the type they talked about and the the type they really liked. Long term girlfriends/fiancee's and eventually, wives, weren't treated this way. In fact, there was more of a protective nature toward the serious girlfriend's of brothers and if a guy from another fraternity made a comment about a brother's girlfriend? Well, that could result in an all out brawl. The longterm girlfriends knew which rooms had peepholes and knew to avoid those rooms.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:40 PM
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Damn! Now after all these years I find out that I am homosexual ("not that there is anything wrong with that" to quote Seinfield). Guess I better tell my family.

Just wondering what bunch of dummies would paint their own greek letters on a rape victim? Maybe there are fraternity members who do so and I am just naive. Is this a true story? Wouldn't it be easy to find out who they were and put them in prison for a long, long time?

What happened to the chapter at Dartmouth? Would women go anywhere near them after this was published?

I believe this is a badly flawed article from egghead elistists. I do not see any supporting data from the author of the article. Maybe there is but I do not see it cited here.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:42 PM
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:28 PM
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Reading the article, it seems to latch onto a few extreme examples and purport to conclude that fraternity culture is somehow broken. Not a great methodology, IMHO. If the article was about a subset of college-aged males who behaved in this way, including some, but not exclusively being fraternity members, the author might have something. In the end though, this article just latches onto a stereotype and runs with it.
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Old 06-12-2009, 04:12 PM
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I love when people bring up 26 year old and 8 year old examples of something that is supposedly "rampant." If it's "rampant" why do you have to go back to the 1st W administration to find an example?

Girls do the same stuff. Bros Before Hos = Chicks Before Dicks. We once hung a guy's underwear from our front porch after he acted like a jerk, and I've heard of groups of women (not necessarily Greeks) having how many guys can I bang contests. This dude sounds like someone who cut off his family jewels and then crawled on hands and knees over to the feminazi wing of the social studies department, crying and offering them as an apology for his gender.
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This dude sounds like someone who cut off his family jewels and then crawled on hands and knees over to the feminazi wing of the social studies department, crying and offering them as an apology for his gender.
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I believe this is a badly flawed article from egghead elistists. I do not see any supporting data from the author of the article. Maybe there is but I do not see it cited here.
After taking a look at the website of the National Sexuality Resource Center ( a "research center" at San Francisco State U that "creates content, leads trainings, and guides the development of a new sexuality movement, founded on the unique concept of sexual literacy—the positive, integrated, and holistic view of sexuality from a social justice perspective"), my thoughts are that the NSRC hardly strikes me as an objective research center and that 33girl and Ghostwriter are probably on the right track.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:18 PM
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most college-aged guys are like that. hell, i would say every male between the ages of 17-30.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:36 PM
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I certainly wouldn't limit it to fraternity men because I saw the same kinds of behaviors in my ex-husband's group of friends(second husband, non-greek). Additionally, to them (and to the fraternities, back in my day) there were two types of women.. the type they talked about and the the type they really liked. Long term girlfriends/fiancee's and eventually, wives, weren't treated this way. In fact, there was more of a protective nature toward the serious girlfriend's of brothers and if a guy from another fraternity made a comment about a brother's girlfriend? Well, that could result in an all out brawl. The longterm girlfriends knew which rooms had peepholes and knew to avoid those rooms.

I totally agree regarding some non-greek men being just as bad if not sometimes worse than descriptions in this article! I have never heard any stories from when I was a student at both UK and EKU about peepholes, watching, and the "homosexual" things they talk about in this article but because I wasnt living in a fraternity house/dorm floor, receiving their newsletters, brotherhoods, etc. that doesnt mean something similar didnt go on. In his book, Dr. Alan DeSantis talks about some of the interviews he did with some fraternity men on campus (keep in mind too DeSantis is a Sigma Pi Fraternity man) talking about competitions between brothers on who can have sex with the most girls and ideas on what they consider to be date rape and not. He also talks about interviews with sorority women who have had guys come on too strong, and some date rape issues.

I have witnessed all out brawls in both bars and on campus where someone in one fraternity made a comment about someone else's girlfriend in another fraternity.
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What happened to the chapter at Dartmouth? Would women go anywhere near them after this was published?

Sadly maybe so. I wont get into specifics, but something similar happened on a local campus in this area, and two sororities continued to wear their rush shirts despite the fraternity being shunned by the other sororities and held in negative light by other fraternities.
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What a Crock of Shite!

What about the millions of fraternity men over the ages (including my father, uncles, cousins, husband, son, etc.) who are not rapists, misogynists, or closet homosexuals?

Where is the treatise that stereotypes sorority girls as vapid alchoholics with loose morals who only gain membership because of their looks, daddy's money, and car they drive?

Oh yeah, that one is called "Pledged", and we really respect that scholarly and well researched book, don't we?

Tripe - both of them...
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Girls do the same stuff. Bros Before Hos = Chicks Before Dicks. We once hung a guy's underwear from our front porch after he acted like a jerk, and I've heard of groups of women (not necessarily Greeks) having how many guys can I bang contests. This dude sounds like someone who cut off his family jewels and then crawled on hands and knees over to the feminazi wing of the social studies department, crying and offering them as an apology for his gender.
LOL!

I have heard the same behaviors from girls...I think girls are probably more prone to giving out details of experiences than some guys are.
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I have so many issues with this article, I'd really like to see their research and look at it for myself.

Also the reason I believe why fraternities and sports teams are constantly identified as more problematic is because there is a way to identify members and attribute behavior or crimes, even if the average population is doing it too, they aren't lumped in as a group. I'd love to see numbers of student crime compared to group membership, as I hypothesize that it really isn't that different percentage wise. Not every 18-22 year old person who gets in trouble in my town is even in college, and i live in a college town.
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Regular reporting on each member’s "conquests" further cements the bonds of brotherhood.
That was the rotten cherry atop the steaming pile of poo for me. Wow.

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Damn! Now after all these years I find out that I am homosexual ("not that there is anything wrong with that" to quote Seinfield). Guess I better tell my family.

Just wondering what bunch of dummies would paint their own greek letters on a rape victim? .
No one. I heard about that case in my risk management seminar thing I had to go to. It was a group of mixed gdi's and brothers from a different group that didn't like the group whose letters they used. They dropped her off on the front porch of said house and left her pretty much for dead.
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