Alpha Phi Alpha Takes a Stand

[CrimsonTide4]

I applaud your stance on this critical issue.
http://www.thejacksonchannel.com/home/797493/index.html

Fraternity Snubs Jackson Because Of Flag
Confederate Emblem Deterrent For Visiting Groups
JACKSON, 8:46 a.m. CDT May 31, 2001 -- A black fraternity Wednesday
joined
the ranks of groups that will not come to Jackson because of the state
flag
issue.
The flag, which bears the Confederate emblem, was cited as the reason
for
Alpha Phi Alpha canceling its conference next year at the Crowne Plaza
Hotel.

The loss of the convention will cost the city around $500,000 in
revenue.

Last month, a group of black firefighters canceled its convention in
Jackson
as well.

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#4 Spring 1997
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Wittenberg University
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[Professor]

CrimsonTide4,
thank you for the information.

Brothers,
We must "Hold Up the Light"

[buterscotch1]

[The Original Ape]

Thank you, sista; WE TRY.

[kiml122]

Big ups to the men of A Phi A who wear the black and the gold.

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Holla - 2001
KL

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[novella000]

y'all are pretty damn cool...


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"No matter how worthy, admirable or fiercely desired the goal may be, it takes commitment and action to make it a reality."

[shida25]

I commend Alpha Phi Alpha for standing up for what is right! (for all that it's worth from a lowly ole Sophomore!)

[SableCherub]

how is it that alpha phi alpha can take such a public and proactive stand against that issue...but not take a stand against the perversion of the pledge process...the miseducation of its brothers and sisters...and take the lead in getting back on track WITHIN...as you are outside of the organization...



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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by SableCherub:
how is it that alpha phi alpha can take such a public and proactive stand against that issue...but not take a stand against the perversion of the pledge process...the miseducation of its brothers and sisters...and take the lead in getting back on track WITHIN...as you are outside of the organization...

[This message has been edited by SableCherub (edited June 12, 2001).]

Don't like our pledge process huh? What; you tried it?

[SableCherub]

HeeHee! funny ape...not...anyhow...ain't a damn thing wrong with pledging my nubian brothah...but there is everything wrong with dehumanizing...humiliating...and oppressing the soul of another human being in the name of "upholding" a pledge process...which has admittedly...according to several bglo members...gone awry...if i were a boy though...alpha phi alpha would be my number one choice... ain't a damn thing free about hypocrisy...

hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies

1.The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness...

my philosophy...either do it right...or don't do it at all...



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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by SableCherub:
HeeHee! funny ape...not...anyhow...ain't a damn thing wrong with pledging my nubian brothah...but there is everything wrong with dehumanizing...humiliating...and oppressing the soul of another human being in the name of "upholding" a pledge process...which has admittedly...according to several bglo members...gone awry...if i were a boy though...alpha phi alpha would be my number one choice... ain't a damn thing free about hypocrisy...

hy·poc·ri·sy (h-pkr-s)
n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies

1.The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness...

my philosophy...either do it right...or don't do it at all...

[This message has been edited by SableCherub (edited June 12, 2001).]

When you meet people, do you trust them blindly? No; they must EARN your trust. And they must do so according to the kind of behavior that makes you comfortable around them, true? If so, then you should understand why it's necessary to have some form of trial/pledge process. You have to know if the person truly understands what it means to earn the title brother. They are willing to call you brotha, but can they live it? That's what pledging SHOULD be designed to evoke.

I freely admit that some people should not be tryin' to pledge other people because they themselves don't know, understand or live by the precepts of the fraternity. But because they were initiated, they are granted the right to. I've always believed that Neos should not participate in pledging, unless they are offering ideas that could enhance the process; on the other hand, I don't mean to insinuate that all neos are immature. My point is that I understand your point; but real brotherhood is a prize that has to be earned-just like trust.

[SableCherub]

Originally posted by The Original Ape:
When you meet people, do you trust them blindly? No; they must EARN your trust. And they must do so according to the kind of behavior that makes you comfortable around them, true? If so, then you should understand why it's necessary to have some form of trial/pledge process. You have to know if the person truly understands what it means to earn the title brother. They are willing to call you brotha, but can they live it? That's what pledging SHOULD be designed to evoke.

I freely admit that some people should not be tryin' to pledge other people because they themselves don't know, understand or live by the precepts of the fraternity. But because they were initiated, they are granted the right to. I've always believed that Neos should not participate in pledging, unless they are offering ideas that could enhance the process; on the other hand, I don't mean to insinuate that all neos are immature. My point is that I understand your point; but real brotherhood is a prize that has to be earned-just like trust.

quite frankly...i don't trust ANYONE that is abusive...and since trust is an important factor in the development of genuine...and strong fraternal bonds...abuse underminds the very bond of sisterhood/brotherhood that the pledge process is supposed to foster...understanding what it means to earn the title brother/sister is not compatible with understanding what it means to take pain, abuse, etc ...a scare tactic used to "ensure" that certain things are kept private...yeah...you may get pledges to keep silent about certain essential things in the process but the result is mistrust and the keeping of oaths and the like out of FEAR...not out of LOVE for the organization and the desire to promote the sacredness of it...

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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by SableCherub:
quite frankly...i don't trust ANYONE that is abusive...and since trust is an important factor in the development of genuine...and strong fraternal bonds...abuse underminds the very bond of sisterhood/brotherhood that the pledge process is support to foster...understanding what it means to earn the title brother/sister is not compatible with understanding what it means to take pain, abuse, etc ...a scare tactic used to "ensure" that certain things are kept private...yeah...you may get pledges to keep silent about certain essential things in the process but the result is mistrust and the keeping of oaths and the like out of FEAR...not out of LOVE for the organization and the desire to promote the sacredness of it...

I agree; but some people interpret pressure as abuse, and it is this type of people that cause all kinds of strife for themselves and for the organizations. Sometimes they do so out of the fear of the unknown; yet sometimes they do it to expedite the process-if you know what I mean.

[BlueReign]

Ummm.... Back to the topic!

I applaud your stance on this very important issue. Anytime black organizations come together and stand together for what is good and true and right.......Amen!

[SableCherub]

Originally posted by The Original Ape:
I agree; but some people interpret pressure as abuse, and it is this type of people that cause all kinds of strife for themselves and for the organizations. Sometimes they do so out of the fear of the unknown; yet sometimes they do it to expedite the process-if you know what I mean.

pressure? there are all types of "pressure"...both positive and negative...and sadly people do not know how to employ positive reinforcement...so they go with what comes easy...negative reinforcement...basic psych 101...i know that if i felt safe...secure...and loved by someone...i would do ANYTHING for them...on the other hand...if someone had me under constant fear and intimidation..."pressure"...i might look like i am all for one and one for all but i would be plottin' on they a$$ the whole time...those are the people that go and do crazy isht like publish your "secrets"...or denounce their memberships...why? they have nothing to loose...you haven't shown them love or given them a reason to protect you...it is like an abused child...they depend on the parent because that is their "life force"...and would do anything to protect them out of fear...not because they love their parent...if you don't feel people are trustworthy...or will be good members...you should not force them to be...it is like the woman that thinks well after we're married i can CHANGE him...he'll start acting right...you know what that does? the moment he gets a taste of something that is not pressuring him...that appreciates him for who he is...that respects him...and does not try to change him...he's out... it works the same way with glo's...soon as people graduate or find a reason not to associate...they out...and you get dim t-shirt wearers that talk the talk but don't walk the walk...