Listing Legacy Chapters

greekdee · #1 02-02-2013, 02:00 AM

I've had another question come up and don't really know the answer.

Upon registering for recruitment, are PNMs required to list any chapters they are legacies to? My first thought was, "why wouldn't you want to list them?", but some PNMs are concerned that legacy status may actually be detrimental to their recruitment...that they will be released by all or most chapters except those they are legacies to.

It's a legit concern. Three PNMs I've done recs for were released (early) by all houses except those where they were legacies. The current PNM I speak of is open to the legacy chapter, but doesn't want to be left with it as the only possibility, especially considering that so many legacies don't get bids these days.

I know a lot of registration forms request legacy info, but don't know if divulging it is optional.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

adpiucf · #2 02-02-2013, 03:29 AM

There's no such requirement to divulge legacy status to any sorority, even to the legacy sorority. There's no way to make this a requirement, and there's no way to verify if someone opts out purposefully or by accident.

AOII Angel · #3 02-02-2013, 07:31 AM

If the applicable sorority member sends in a Legacy Form (or whatever each group calls it) the line on the form is superfluous. Many computerized recruitment systems (ICS) won't give out legacy status to chapters unless it pertains to them anyway.

FSUZeta · #4 02-02-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

If the applicable sorority member sends in a Legacy Form (or whatever each group calls it) the line on the form is superfluous. Many computerized recruitment systems (ICS) won't give out legacy status to chapters unless it pertains to them anyway.

But a lot of Panhellenics do include that legacy info. on the party lists for all to see, which can work against a PNM just as greekdee said. A better solution is for the alumna writing the recommendation for a legacy PNM to make sure legacy status is included with the information she passes along to the chapter, as AOII Angel suggested. That way only the legacy chapter knows.

Titchou · #5 02-02-2013, 09:41 AM

I always include that on my recs whether she is a legacy to my group or another. In fact our form has a place for that. So if I know it,and I always ask if I don't already know, it's going on the rec.

AOII Angel · #6 02-02-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

I always include that on my recs whether she is a legacy to my group or another. In fact our form has a place for that. So if I know it,and I always ask if I don't already know, it's going on the rec.

Sneaky.

MaryPoppins · #7 02-02-2013, 10:33 AM

One of the topics at Ice Water a million years ago when I was a Rushee was, "Tell me about the Greeks in your family?"

Titchou · #8 02-02-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Sneaky.

No, I just ask up front. Like, what all sororities are represented in your family, sweetie? Followed by batting my eyes....

ADPiEE · #9 02-02-2013, 10:53 AM

So if a PNM lists her legacy chapters, she could be released by other chapters. But then she also could be released by her legacy chapter. Does this happen often or just at competitive/SEC schools--where legacies remain bidless?

AXOrushadvisor · #10 02-02-2013, 11:08 AM

I'm on the fence about this. I would only NOT list it if the PNM has a sitting sister in a Chapter at the same university the PNM is going through. We did that with my niece when she went through recruitment. The legacy chapter knew she was a sister (obvi) but we did not put that information on any other documentation.

amIblue? · #11 02-02-2013, 11:28 AM

I think that with so many legacies getting dropped, that it's best to leave it off. Also, I wouldnt include it for a rec girl that I know.

FSUZeta · #12 02-02-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ADPiEE

So if a PNM lists her legacy chapters, she could be released by other chapters. But then she also could be released by her legacy chapter. Does this happen often or just at competitive/SEC schools--where legacies remain bidless?

This is why I think it is more considerate of the legacy chapter to release the PNM at the earliest possible time. Waiting too long in the process seems to work against the PNM. This has happened to a couple of PNMs I know. These girls were carried through the last party before prefs. and were not invited back for prefs. I won't name the schools, but will say this happened at schools where recs. are a must!

DubaiSis · #13 02-02-2013, 01:51 PM

Me personally, I'd leave it off. It's nobody's business and you can advise the applicable chapters through alternate methods. While going through rush conversation, the girl can say she knows Greek women and that's part of why she's interested in joining a sorority. But I wouldn't tell anyone her Mom, the light of her life, is an XYZ if XYZ is on that campus.

And the rule is ridic. How about the legacies you have that you aren't aware of? Some sororities are really restrictive on what they consider a legacy, but some are pretty loose about it. Was your grandmother in a sorority? How are you supposed to know? She's been dead for 30 years and your mom never mentioned it. Maybe she didn't even know. I wouldn't feel the least bit bad about leaving that nugget off the form.

greekdee · #14 02-02-2013, 02:21 PM

The rec documents I use don't even ask for legacy connections unless they are to our own sorority, which I think is fine and appropriate. I don't know why a recruitment registration form would ask about them period unless it's to make the info known to sororities. I could be wrong, so please enlighten me if I am! Maybe they're just keeping record of how many legacies go through recruitment. Personally, I think making a chapter aware of a legacy is info that should be provided by alumnae.. and it's something the PNMs can share themselves during recruitment.

In answer to ADPiEE's question, this does appear to be common in the situation AXOrushadvisor gave - where a PMN is rushing at the same school where she has a sister, and that sister is a current undergrad in a sorority. In that case, I think it's the rule and not the exception. I know that every PNM from my area (that I'm aware of) who has gone into recruitment with those dynamics was released early by everyone but "her sister's sorority" as most people around me say. They all got bids and pledged, though. I know two who have dropped because their sister's sorority really wasn't the best fit for them -- but they weren't given any other choice. This has happened at SEC schools as well as less competitive ones.

BUT -- I know plenty of PNMs who are legacies via their mothers, grandmothers or sisters at different schools and they didn't suffer drastic cuts from other chapters. In all honesty, though, I don't know if they revealed the connections when they registered, for fear of this very scenario happening. I am asking because the question has come up with me. Realizing that trends in recruitment can change, I just like to stay up on things because I don't want to advise someone incorrectly.

And agree 100 percent with FSUZeta -- some PNMs I know have also been dropped by their legacy chapter right before pref. I hate it when that happens. I may even know which schools you're talking about.

(In all honesty, there may be times when a PNM doesn't want their legacy connection known for other reasons! Though fraternity recruitment is different because the men aren't restricted by quota and RFM, I know someone whose sons don't want their legacy status known because the chapter at their school has such a bad rep -- always on probation, in trouble with local and school authorities and exisiting under the threat of being kicked off campus. They're afraid their options would be limited by being legacies. I really don't know, though, if fraternities care that someone is a legacy to another chapter and if it weighs on their decision to extend invites...maybe some fraternity members can offer some insight on that. )

WCsweet<3 · #15 02-02-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

This is why I think it is more considerate of the legacy chapter to release the PNM at the earliest possible time. Waiting too long in the process seems to work against the PNM. This has happened to a couple of PNMs I know. These girls were carried through the last party before prefs. and were not invited back for prefs. I won't name the schools, but will say this happened at schools where recs. are a must!

Would the other chapters know though? Like if everyone was dropping Suzie because she was an XYZ, but XYZ dropped her first round, would the other chapters know? I don't remember my chapter knowing what PNMs went to another group unless the PNM told me.