Texas A&M Greek Life Moratorium

[OHNOITSJESS]

"A Crackdown for Texas A&M Greek Life. Sororities and Fraternities are having to scrap their social events and new member activities."

http://www.kbtx.com/news/headlines/G...107859409.html

[Drolefille]

Wow. This should be interesting...

[carnation]

Yeah, since one of the most notorious groups for hazing in this country has long been the A&M Corps of Cadets. I wonder if A&M managed to put the brakes on that.

[33girl]

A 2 week moratorium? What's the point? (other than PR)

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

A 2 week moratorium? What's the point? (other than PR)

Probably depends on what happens in those 2 weeks. On the University's side will they la down much more stringent rules (that could be useful or useless YMMV)? On the students' side do they break the prohibition within those 2 weeks or keep their heads down? And then what do they find with the allegations made?

I don't think the 2 weeks is the end of it, I think it's the beginning. If it is all for show and PR it'll just disappear and whatever students were hazing will be worse than ever after the attention is redirected.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by carnation

Yeah, since one of the most notorious groups for hazing in this country has long been the A&M Corps of Cadets. I wonder if A&M managed to put the brakes on that.

EXACTLY.

[aggieAXO]

I agree Carnation, complete double standard. I had many friends in the corps and they were hazed to the nth degree but it was acceptable

[Rebis]

Originally Posted by aggieAXO

I agree Carnation, complete double standard. I had many friends in the corps and they were hazed to the nth degree but it was acceptable

There has always been a double standard for military orgs and I cant say I disagree. Military personal have a much more grave purpose than the social and service aspect of greek life. Texas A&M's corps produces alot of American soliders. Im not saying hazing should be completely tolerated, but if it should the corps should be more tolerated than greek life. I personally know many aggie greeks and my mom was a member of a sorority there so I have a basic understanding of greek life there. just my two cents

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Rebis

Texas A&M's corps produces alot of American soliders. I'm not saying hazing should be completely tolerated, but if it should the corps should be more tolerated than greek life.

But while they're in school, they're NOT American soldiers. They're in a student organization. One student organization shouldn't get a pass on things that other SOs get shut down for.

[aggieAXO]

There are a good number of corps members that do not join the military. All of the guys I knew were not interested in going into the military. I don't think that is a valid excuse.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But while they're in school, they're NOT American soldiers. They're in a student organization. One student organization shouldn't get a pass on things that other SOs get shut down for.

I find myself in 100% agreement with this.

Should the same go for the hazing at The Citadel and VMI although these are "Military Schools"? Should they get a pass.

Not so sure about ROTC as I don't really know enough about their ties to the Armed Forces and what these ties/requirements, if there are any, entail.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Should the same go for the hazing at The Citadel and VMI although these are "Military Schools"? Should they get a pass.

I think that requires being able to distinguish hazing, and other seemingly unecessary rites of passage, from official training procedures. Hazing (in the literal sense used by anti-hazing policies and laws) shouldn't be what prepares these women and men for military service and combat.

However, if the Citadel and VMI have policies and procedures that classify some of these things as nonhazing, that's when we get into the more subjective nature of "hazing." If it isn't defined as hazing, it isn't technically hazing regardless of personal opinions on the matter.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Not so sure about ROTC as I don't really know enough about their ties to the Armed Forces and what these ties/requirements, if there are any, entail.

If I recall correctly, students (most? all? some? the ones on ROTC scholarship?) in ROTC have a couple of years of military service after graduation. This is how the government gets back their investment on these students. At least, that's how it was in the 1990s at the universities that I was familiar with.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

If I recall correctly, students (most? all? some? the ones on ROTC scholarship?) in ROTC have a couple of years of military service after graduation. This is how the government gets back their investment on these students. At least, that's how it was in the 1990s at the universities that I was familiar with.

Only a slight correction for technical purposes, they only have to serve if they take the scholarship.

You don't get the scholarship once you sign on the dotted line for ROTC, but when you do get it, it does cover back to when you joined.

I could be wrong though and they were just telling me that so I could sign on the dotted line.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

But while they're in school, they're NOT American soldiers. They're in a student organization. One student organization shouldn't get a pass on things that other SOs get shut down for.

THIS.

[SWTXBelle]

NO - the kind of hazing my friends in the Corps (and especially in the band) had to endure would not be tolerated in the military - it had NOTHING to do with the physical/mental conditioning of soldiers. To be fair to their rival, it is my understanding that the non-Greek "spirit" groups of UT are (or were - I'm ancient) far worse than anything the Greeks dreamt of doing.