Nebraskan city to hold immigration vote

[DaemonSeid]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_...a/10364664.stm



A city in the US state of Nebraska is to vote on whether to ban local businesses and landlords from hiring or renting to illegal immigrants.

The vote in Fremont is the result of a two-year fight by residents concerned by an influx of Hispanic workers.

It follows an immigration law passed recently in Arizona which critics have said could lead to racial profiling.

Other states and cities want similar laws, saying the federal government has failed to tackle the problem.

US President Barack Obama has made immigration reform a priority, but has warned the task is being made harder by the actions of Arizona, Fremont and others.

The residents of Fremont will vote on whether businesses should be banned from hiring illegal immigrants and landlords should be barred from renting them property.

The campaign for such a law began two years ago amid concerns that the Hispanic population in the 25,000-strong city had gone from 165 in the 1990s to an estimated 2,000 - drawn mainly to work at a nearby meat-packing plant.

A proposed law - similar to the one being put to the vote on Monday night - was narrowly defeated when put forward by a city council member in 2008.

[PiKA2001]

This is stupid, it's already illegal to HIRE someone who isn't legally able to work in the U.S.

[Drolefille]

Yes but now the local cops can spend all their time dealing with it (and/or ignoring it, it'll pretty much be all or nothing).

Immigration reform, we need it. This, not so much with the helping.

[PiKA2001]

I wonder if these people know about E-Verify?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I wonder if these people know about E-Verify?

Buggy system and people complain because people get 90 days to straighten things out if they're on their wrongly. Also I don't think it solves people using someone else's SSN?

Better than nothing though.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Buggy system and people complain because people get 90 days to straighten things out if they're on their wrongly. Also I don't think it solves people using someone else's SSN?

Better than nothing though.

It tracks it though. If it was mandatory nationwide we would be able to see that the same SSN is concurrently used in two or three different jobs in two or three different states.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It tracks it though. If it was mandatory nationwide we would be able to see that the same SSN is concurrently used in two or three different jobs in two or three different states.

I think it's hard to make it mandatory yet, i don't know about the legal issues involved but i think it has like a .5% error rate and out of 330 million SSNs that's a lot.

I also don't know how illegal SSNs work, whether it's usually a stolen ID, a sold one, if it's duplicated across the country or they're careful not to 'resell' so to speak. Then at some point you'd have to cross the system with all the states to track disability, TANF, Medicaid, etc. And besides the logistical issues of every state running their own system, you start getting the Big Brother people really freaked out.

It's something to work on, obviously.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This is stupid, it's already illegal to HIRE someone who isn't legally able to work in the U.S.

Thats what I was thinking.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think it's hard to make it mandatory yet, i don't know about the legal issues involved but i think it has like a .5% error rate and out of 330 million SSNs that's a lot.

I also don't know how illegal SSNs work, whether it's usually a stolen ID, a sold one, if it's duplicated across the country or they're careful not to 'resell' so to speak. Then at some point you'd have to cross the system with all the states to track disability, TANF, Medicaid, etc. And besides the logistical issues of every state running their own system, you start getting the Big Brother people really freaked out.

It's something to work on, obviously.

It's run by DHS so every employer in the country would be going through them. Fraud is an issue but could be stopped by using biometrics, but then you'd have people really freaking out

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

It's run by DHS so every employer in the country would be going through them. Fraud is an issue but could be stopped by using biometrics, but then you'd have people really freaking out

No I mean you'd have to cross check the SSNs with the state level TANF/Medicaid system. I'm not sure if SSI/SSDI is managed at the federal or state level but odds are even on the federal level it's on another system. Because if you know the SSNs will cross check with other jobs, people who are not working would be an ideal target.

And yes, next thing you know we all have the "Mark of the Beast" in our hands or foreheads or something.

/needs a credit card implanted in an arm or something because I lose mine all the time.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And yes, next thing you know we all have the "Mark of the Beast" in our hands or foreheads or something.

Like a micro-chip? My cats already set for the Armageddon then. I see fingerprints being associated with SSN in the future though, as well as cops having little iPad type things that can read/check prints on the fly. I don't see it as Big Bro, just our lives being more digitalized.

Hell, one can make the arguement that SSN are the "Mark of the Beast".

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Like a micro-chip? My cats already set for the Armageddon then. I see fingerprints being associated with SSN in the future though, as well as cops having little iPad type things that can read/check prints on the fly. I don't see it as Big Bro, just our lives being more digitalized.

Hell, one can make the arguement that SSN are the "Mark of the Beast".

I'm sure someone already does, the general claim though is that it'll be in your forehead or arm and you won't be able to buy things without it. *Presumes a more literal reading of Revelation*

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm sure someone already does, the general claim though is that it'll be in your forehead or arm and you won't be able to buy things without it. *Presumes a more literal reading of Revelation*

Well typically for a big purchase you need to use credit, which to apply for credit you need a SSN (traditionally, not always the case now), hmmmm.....

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Well typically for a big purchase you need to use credit, which to apply for credit you need a SSN (traditionally, not always the case now), hmmmm.....

It's apparently Mark of the Beats prep: I kid you not, Conspiracy is in the URL

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by super.fly

What is immigration reform going to accomplish?

It depends what immigration reform you want to see. It's such a vague term when you think about it. I think the reform she is talking about is an amnesty bill, which would accomplish a lot in the sense that we would no longer have anyone here illegally.