HUGE QUESTION; Sigma Pi Phi & Alpha Phi Alpha

[ayakosbad]

I was doing my research on BGLOs and found that Alpha Phi Alpha was not the first BGLO it was Alpha Kappa Nu (Kappa Alpha Psi) which ended up failing. Then came Sigma Pi Phi (a highly secretive; for a while; BGLO that only opened up membership to highly established African American males, and is still an active fraternity.

If this is the case then why does Alpha Phi Alpha and every other BGLO recognize Alpha Phi Alpha as the FIRST?

I understand that Sigma Pi Phi did not open up membership to those in college (for a while, but when they did they changed their minds). I also understand that membership into Sigma Pi Phi was and still is highly selective and was known to only be for the African-American bourgeoisie. However it still doesn't erase the fact that when it comes to ESTABLISHED BGLOs Sigma Pi Phi is number one.

Another concern is that since this is true, why is it that when I was doing my research Sigma Pi Phi is never mentioned. Is it taboo because the first BGLO had such discriminating taste against their own race? I must know. Is it only called Divine Nine instead of Divine Ten because Alpha Phi Alpha did not affiliate themselves with Sigma Pi Phi but yet there were members like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who carried dual membership in both organizations?

I am not trying to be disrespectful in anyway. Can someone just answer my question?

Thank You.

[knight_shadow]

This is not "huge" by any means.

And this topic has been discussed here in the past. Do a search.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ayakosbad

Can someone just answer my question?

No.

Use the search button.

[ayakosbad]

I did do a search and I am still searching through all of the forum postings.

[DaemonSeid]

Well you haven't searched hard enough...keep going.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ayakosbad

I was doing my research on BGLOs and found that Alpha Phi Alpha was not the first BGLO it was Alpha Kappa Nu (Kappa Alpha Psi) which ended up failing. Then came Sigma Pi Phi (a highly secretive; for a while; BGLO that only opened up membership to highly established African American males, and is still an active fraternity.

If this is the case then why does Alpha Phi Alpha and every other BGLO recognize Alpha Phi Alpha as the FIRST?

I understand that Sigma Pi Phi did not open up membership to those in college (for a while, but when they did they changed their minds). I also understand that membership into Sigma Pi Phi was and still is highly selective and was known to only be for the African-American bourgeoisie. However it still doesn't erase the fact that when it comes to ESTABLISHED BGLOs Sigma Pi Phi is number one.

Another concern is that since this is true, why is it that when I was doing my research Sigma Pi Phi is never mentioned. Is it taboo because the first BGLO had such discriminating taste against their own race? I must know. Is it only called Divine Nine instead of Divine Ten because Alpha Phi Alpha did not affiliate themselves with Sigma Pi Phi but yet there were members like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who carried dual membership in both organizations?

I am not trying to be disrespectful in anyway. Can someone just answer my question?

Thank You.

Alpha Phi Alpha is the first among NPHC organizations.

Since you are in research mode, did you know the founder of Sigma Pi Phi later became an Alpha? WE ARE JUST THAT AWESOME.

By the way, Sigma Pi Phi is probably never mentioned in your research because the texts you're using are likely focusing on intercollegiate fraternities, which Sigma Pi Phi is not. It is a professional fraternity.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Alpha Phi Alpha is the first among NPHC organizations.

Since you are in research mode, did you know the founder of Sigma Pi Phi later became an Alpha? WE ARE JUST THAT AWESOME.

By the way, Sigma Pi Phi is probably never mentioned in your research because the texts you're using are likely focusing on intercollegiate fraternities, which Sigma Pi Phi is not. It is a professional fraternity.

Can't you just be difficult as usual???

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Animate

Can't you just be difficult as usual???

He wasn't being a dick about it, so I figured I could be nice for a change. I mean, what else is there to do in a moratorium but research until you get burned out? Which he probably did.

[DrPhil]

Oh yay this question again! Yaaaaaaay!

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by ayakosbad

I must know.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I mean, what else is there to do in a moratorium but research until you get burned out? Which he probably did.

lolz

[Animate]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

He wasn't being a dick about it, so I figured I could be nice for a change. I mean, what else is there to do in a moratorium but research until you get burned out? Which he probably did.

man don't remind me...I was on my way to work just this morning and thought to myself "I'm in the mood for intake". Yeah thats unlikely to happen.

[ayakosbad]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Alpha Phi Alpha is the first among NPHC organizations.

Since you are in research mode, did you know the founder of Sigma Pi Phi later became an Alpha? WE ARE JUST THAT AWESOME.

By the way, Sigma Pi Phi is probably never mentioned in your research because the texts you're using are likely focusing on intercollegiate fraternities, which Sigma Pi Phi is not. It is a professional fraternity.

Thanks Senusret I for clarifying. In all the websites that I looked through it never mentioned Sigma Pi Phi as a professional fraternity which explains why there was dual memberships.

By the way I am FEMALE not interested in joining any organization. I am just researching for my personal benefit and getting an early start on a thesis for Sociology

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ayakosbad

Thanks Senusret I for clarifying. In all the websites that I looked through it never mentioned Sigma Pi Phi as a professional fraternity which explains why there was dual memberships.

By the way I am FEMALE not interested in joining any organization. I am just researching for my personal benefit and getting an early start on a thesis for Sociology

I guess you had never heard of the Boule before and did not read their national website where it talks about founding a group of accomplished African American men who were already established in their fields. Either way, their national website has a link for the "History of the Boule." The answer to your question is in the first paragraph of the second page of the "History of the Boule," which is seven pages long.

Good luck on your thesis research and be prepared for actually doing research (not just website searches) where there is no GreekChat.com and SenusretI to give you quick answers.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I guess you had never heard of the Boule before and did not read their national website where it talks about founding a group of accomplished African American men who were already established in their fields. Either way, their national website has a link for the "History of the Boule." The answer to your question is in the first paragraph of the second page of the "History of the Boule," which is seven pages long.

Good luck on your thesis research and be prepared for actually doing research (not just website searches) where there is no GreekChat.com and SenusretI to give you quick answers.

I wonder how one would cite Senusret I for their thesis?

[ayakosbad]

Thanks Dr. Phil and LoL to VandalSquirrel. I don't actually have a thesis yet, I am just looking up interesting topics to me familiarizing myself with subject areas. Thanks everyone!