Recruitment Rules Issue

alphagamgirl06 · #1 06-18-2008, 06:27 PM

Can a chapter do a COR or COB the week before formal recruitment???

I would say the answer is definitely no but I cant find any hard proof validate it.

KSUViolet06 · #2 06-18-2008, 06:39 PM

I think it depends on when your school's Panhellenic rules designate that the formal recruitment period starts and ends. For example, our PHC designated that the formal recruitment period started the day the Recruitment Counselors were officially disaffiliated (some date in August), and it lasted until midnight on Bid Day. This was the time where formal recruitment rules were in effect (i.e. silence/contact). So we were not allowed to advertise COB or extend any COB bids from that day in August until midnight after Bid Day.

alphagamgirl06 · #3 06-18-2008, 06:42 PM

Those are the same rules for our school. recruitment counselors have been disaffiliated since the middle of may.

AlphaXi_Husky · #4 06-18-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I think it depends on when your school's Panhellenic rules designate that the formal recruitment period starts and ends. For example, our PHC designated that the formal recruitment period started the day the Recruitment Counselors were officially disaffiliated (some date in August), and it lasted until midnight on Bid Day. So we were not allowed to advertise COB or extend any COB bids from that day in August until midnight after Bid Day.

Agreed. For the chapter I advise collegiates are not allowed to talk to incoming freshman (outside of normal conversation - ie within families or for members who are already friends with incoming freshman) from the weekend of the Greek Preview the Panhellenic conducts in the spring, throughout summer and up to Bid Day. Get a hold of your local Panhellenic rules or contact someone on the board and ask. My guess is you probably won't be able to do it, but there may be a chance.

And obviously my assumption is that your recruitment is a Fall one.

SoCalGirl · #5 06-18-2008, 06:48 PM

Check your campus panhellenic recruitment bylaws. If you have fall formal then most likely no. If you have spring formal then the rules will usually say when COR/COB must end. On my campus, COR was only allowed from the end of formal to the end of the school year.

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Section 9. Summer Contacts and Contacts before Formal Recruitment.
A. A member fraternity shall not issue an invitation to membership or formally pledge a woman from the last day of school to the first day of silence.
B. Individual fraternity recruitment shall be prohibited from the last day of Spring Quarter through Bid Day within exception of Recruitment Parties.

LAblondeGPhi · #6 06-18-2008, 06:48 PM

I would generally say definitely "No", but it does depend on your campus Panhellenic's rules. I assume you're not talking about the previous school week (like the end of the previous term, for example), but the actual calendar week. Is this hypothetical chapter one that's been having a lot of trouble and has special arrangements with your campus Panhellenic? Is this a chapter that does not go recruit using the formal recruitment process the rest of the chapters use?

I'm also assuming you're not talking about "dirty rushing", which is just plain against the rules, but discrete and not technically COB. Are you talking about having official COB events?

I'm going with a no, but I'm dying to hear the circumstances around this inquiry.

alphagamgirl06 · #7 06-18-2008, 06:51 PM

yeah this is fall formal recruitment and I think a cor breaks every no pnm contact rule. for some reason the greek adviser at my school suggested it and I am pretty sure we cant do that and if we could i dont think it is a good idea anyway.

KSUViolet06 · #8 06-18-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamgirl06

yeah this is fall formal recruitment and I think a cor breaks every no pnm contact rule. for some reason the greek adviser at my school suggested it and I am pretty sure we cant do that and if we could i dont think it is a good idea anyway.

Is this a chapter that's having numbers issues? Some schools have granted exceptions to certain rules to benefit chapters who are struggling a bit.

LAblondeGPhi · #9 06-18-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamgirl06

yeah this is fall formal recruitment and I think a cor breaks every no pnm contact rule. for some reason the greek adviser at my school suggested it and I am pretty sure we cant do that and if we could i dont think it is a good idea anyway.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that either you're not telling us half the info we need, or you're not understanding the situation fully yourself... or both.

If your greek advisor suggested it, then obviously there are circumstances that we aren't in the know about, so how could we possibly give a complete/accurate answer?

alphagamgirl06 · #10 06-18-2008, 07:00 PM

I would say they are kinda having a numbers issue but it really isnt that big they are like 10 girls behind the next smallest chapter and like 22 behind the biggest chapter. I just really dont see how a cor the week before recruitment would really help them.

KSUViolet06 · #11 06-18-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamgirl06

I would say they are kinda having a numbers issue but it really isnt that big they are like 10 girls behind the next smallest chapter and like 22 behind the biggest chapter. I just really dont see how a cor the week before recruitment would really help them.

Check with your Greek Advisor and ask him/her if this is something he/she approved to help them get their numbers up before fall, as that could be the case.

alphagamgirl06 · #12 06-18-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that either you're not telling us half the info we need, or you're not understanding the situation fully yourself... or both.

If your greek advisor suggested it, then obviously there are circumstances that we aren't in the know about, so how could we possibly give a complete/accurate answer?

I dont really know what other info there is to give the suggestion was kinda out of the blue. He is new to the job and I thinking he just doesnt really know panhellenic rules.

UGAalum94 · #13 06-18-2008, 07:05 PM

And I remember someone on here who discussed that her chapter did something similar. I think it was at a school where even if everyone made quota, they were still going to be way below total, so essentially you could COR/COB year round, including late spring and maybe even summer. And then they would just kind of add the girls to the formal pledge class.

At a school where all chapters aren't COB/CORing all the time, I can't imagine that you'd get too many girls unless you were already rushing them and they were upperclassmen without too many options in formal. How many people wouldn't rather just wait and see and go through with all the chapters?

33Girl, does this sound familiar to you? Or maybe AlphaFrog? Not that it was your chapters, just that I kind of remember you being in the conversation.

33girl · #14 06-19-2008, 10:14 AM

Well, that was kind of me - we would bid girls after the semester's class was initiated (like in December or April) and then add them to the spring or fall pledge class. They were "holdovers" if you want to get technical I guess. NPC isn't nuts about it, but AFAIK it is permissible (unlike what our dumbass GA told us). But we never did things a week before rush.

alphagamgirl06 - if this is a COB only for upperclassmen (this is what I think he was probably thinking) it might not be so bad, but here's the thing - if they are the ONLY ones doing it, it's going to make them look bad to the freshmen. "Why is ABC doing that? Do they need extra help or something?"

If they have upperclass girls they KNOW are interested in them and only them, those girls can just wait and get open bids after formal rush if they don't want to go through. I mean I don't think that all of a sudden a chapter that's having numbers problems is going to get a super ginormous pledge class and fill quota AND get up to total. It's possible, but not very probable.

gpb1874 · #15 06-19-2008, 04:36 PM

It depends on when your formal is too. I believe NPC states that recruitment can only be held during long semesters (fall & spring). When formal is done a week or so before school starts, that's OK, but I don't think that would apply to COR (COB, when used correctly, only happens directly after formal and is for chapters to fill open spots. COR happens in spring to fill open spots, or in fall if it's a deferred campus).