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07-10-2007, 11:13 PM
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Sex Change and Membership
What happens to your membership in a single-sex sorority or fraternity if you choose to alter your gender?
(no, I'm not considering it)
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07-10-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby
What happens to your membership in a single-sex sorority or fraternity if you choose to alter your gender?
(no, I'm not considering it)
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This really makes me laugh. Oh, the things you think about as a result of GreekChat.
I have no idea what the answer to your question is. It never even crossed my mind until the joke in that retro-recruitment thread.
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07-10-2007, 11:33 PM
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I giggled a little when I saw it in that trainwreck (I'm not assigning blame to either side; I'm just saying the vehicle that was the thread flipped over at some point), but I thought it was in reference to a legacy who had a sex change shortly after birth- a more common procedure.
But if an alum who was in good-standing (but not necessarily hands-on active) had a sex change, would anyone at HQ really be the wiser?
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07-11-2007, 01:31 AM
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I consider myself to be a pretty knowledgeable alumna, but I have no idea what happens.
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07-11-2007, 03:36 AM
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On all the shows I've seen on the Discovery channel, if the person goes all the way with the surgery, they legally change status to whatever gender they have transitioned to. So let's say "Ken" transitions to "Barbie". His driver's license will now read "Female". If "Ken" had previously been a member of XYZ fraternity in college, I would think he would forfeit his membership. Otherwise, wouldn't it put XYZ fraternity in danger of legally not being a single-sex organization anymore?
Oh the things you'll respond to at 3:36 am after taking your teenage brother-in-law to the Harry Potter premiere! 
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07-18-2007, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Xidelt
On all the shows I've seen on the Discovery channel, if the person goes all the way with the surgery, they legally change status to whatever gender they have transitioned to. So let's say "Ken" transitions to "Barbie". His driver's license will now read "Female". If "Ken" had previously been a member of XYZ fraternity in college, I would think he would forfeit his membership. Otherwise, wouldn't it put XYZ fraternity in danger of legally not being a single-sex organization anymore?
Oh the things you'll respond to at 3:36 am after taking your teenage brother-in-law to the Harry Potter premiere! |
If memory serves me right....Ken doesn't have that far to go to become Barbie...heh
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07-11-2007, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by annabella
I giggled a little when I saw it in that trainwreck (I'm not assigning blame to either side; I'm just saying the vehicle that was the thread flipped over at some point), but I thought it was in reference to a legacy who had a sex change shortly after birth- a more common procedure.
But if an alum who was in good-standing (but not necessarily hands-on active) had a sex change, would anyone at HQ really be the wiser?
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could you be refering to a certain thread having to do with a certain retro recruitment story where a certain poster somewhat over reacted?
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07-11-2007, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Axid angel
could you be refering to a certain thread having to do with a certain retro recruitment story where a certain poster somewhat over reacted?
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DING DING DING! We have a winner! 
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07-11-2007, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by annabella
But if an alum who was in good-standing (but not necessarily hands-on active) had a sex change, would anyone at HQ really be the wiser?
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Exactly my thought.. I mean technically I'd say the membership would cease. However, I doubt DMV/ Social security administration/ whatever other agencies change your records are going to cross check and call XYZ headquarters and tell them of the operation you had.
We did have a cross dresser come through rush, not once but twice back in the day. It was an interesting situation.
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07-11-2007, 06:01 PM
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I'd think they'd be given the boot. Our rules clearly specify that a member "must be a man." They do not say "must be a man at the time of initiation" or anything like that. It stands to reason that if they are no longer a man, they are also no longer a member.
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07-11-2007, 06:16 PM
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Mutilation does not equal sex change
I take an opposite attitude. In a traditionalist interpretation, the member has merely maimed himself. Despite the claims perhaps now allowed in the legal system, fraternities holding principles rooted in orthodox religious observance could simply ignore the surgery as a mutilation - no different than if the same effects were due an accident. The state can claim the physical change makes a different sex but a fraternity need not accept the alteration as a real change in sex identity.
BTW, some fraternities allow resignation from membership. Mine does not.
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07-11-2007, 05:41 PM
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What happens to your membership in a single-sex sorority or fraternity if you choose to alter your gender?
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i'll bet none of our founders thought this one through! i have no idea what would happen.
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