A SPY AMONG US!! BROTHERS BEWARE....

BROTHERSKEEPER · #1 07-05-2007, 12:45 AM

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

yangstar · #2 07-05-2007, 04:53 AM

I'm not going to doubt that you were qualified and I'm sorry you didn't get the position, but perhaps the man hired for the job was more qualified or fit better into the job than you did? I know the feeling of really clicking with the interviewer and feeling that I'm well qualified and ready to work for and with these people, and then I find out that I wasn't hired. It happens all the time though sadly.

AlphaFrog · #3 07-05-2007, 07:34 AM

I'm sorry Alphas...I know this is your forum and all, but I gotta say it:

1985 called, it wants its mentality back.

DSTKellie · #4 07-05-2007, 09:26 AM

Yeah I have to agree with every one else. I know its is unfortunate that you didn't get the job but I do hate when people assume that they should get a job because of affliation, race or something that is UNRELATED to the job. There are many other factors to considered when one is hiring and after taking in all of these considerations the other guy who happen to be a white male was hired. So just deal with it. Now you are questioning your ties with Alpha because of one man?

DSTdimepiece · #5 07-05-2007, 09:50 AM

If that's all it takes to question allegiance, I question your original allegiance.

DSTCHAOS · #6 07-05-2007, 10:41 AM

I question your allegiance to logic and reason.

BROTHERSKEEPER · #7 07-05-2007, 10:45 AM

I put this out there obviously to get some outside opinions. I work for a company where NEPOTISM seems to be the rule and not the exception. I feel I was qualified for the job and was misled by this executive. We had conversations in regards to him not wanting to be known as a person who only hires black people or his fraternity brothers. For the record, he has not hire a black person into his department ever. The white male was selected strictly through NEPOTISM and not on qualifications. I still find myself working three times as hard as my white counterparts just to survive.

I feel if you can reach back, reach back and help another brother or sister. I speak it and live it.

AKA_Monet · #8 07-05-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

How long have you been a gentleman of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.? Because you sound like you just joined if you think that any corporation owes you anything in this world in this day even if you feel there is seniority on your part.

Did your "brother" promise you ANYTHING in writing? Are you ready to say he leveraged his position of power and influence to think you are a "shoo-in" for this promotion? If you have something in writing, then not only do you visit EEOC, you visit the Ombudsman for HR. But, know you will have retribution for it. Since you you are conflagrating "nepotism" in this particular corporate structure.

If I were you, I would work on my resume, start going to strategic alliance networking meetings and meet people who can emphasize your qualities you work on.

I know for a fact that the men of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. are about improving their community as "scholarship and manly deeds" to men, young and old. They are not about just job placement service. However, there is mentorship they can provide. Your duty is to your local, regional, state and International chapters.

If you joined Alpha because you thought you were gaining access to something without legwork, then I have questions.

Phrozen1ne · #9 07-05-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

Brother-
The fact that you question your allegiance to our dear fraternity based on one action of a bro that, yes may have pissed you off, but has nothing to do with the fraternity itself is a bit much. Give of your pin and letters????? This is the first time I ever heard a brother say this, but I guess there is a first time for everything. As I was taught, it isn't what your frat can do for you, but what you can and should be doing for the frat. As someone previously stated, maybe there was some reason the interviewer felt you were not qualified and if you feel that you were then approach that brother and find out what you need to do to make sure you get it the next time. Maybe you were qualified, but something else prevented you from getting your desired postion. At any rate I hope you get what you feel you deserve.

ladygreek · #10 07-06-2007, 12:00 AM

As a hiring manger for a position I purposely did not hire a soror for the job, because knowing her I knew she would not be happy on the position. She went on to find a position much better suited for her.

The Original Ape · #11 07-06-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

Greetings Brothers,

I recently interviewed for a position within the company I have worked for over ten years now. The position was in another department headed by an executive who also happened to be an ALPHA. We touched basis on both of us being Alphas. I also followed the necessary steps outlined by this executive four months earlier leading up to this interview. To make a long story short, I was shocked to find out I was not selected for the position after the interview. I was qualified for the position and had an outstanding interview based on the feedback following the interview. In addition, I was not the only Alpha to interview for the position. The part that really hurt, the BROTHER hired a white male. This has caused me to question my allegiance to Alpha Phi Alpha. I thought the purpose was to reach back and help one another. If not another Alpha Man, another black male if better qualified for the job.

What up with the spy among us?? Has anyone experienced this same type of situation. I need help to get through this situation. I want to return in my pin and letters.

What's up Brutha.

I was in that similar seat years ago; and like you, didn't get the position. I found out later that the executive brother owed a favor to the top guy, and paid his debt with the job I had hoped for. The brother told me this immediately after hiring the other guy. It was a bitter pill for me to take. I know how pissed you are. I hope you don't blame the entire fraternity for this dude's failure to keep his obligation.

Phrozen1ne · #12 07-06-2007, 09:59 AM

Now, if the Brother hasn't hired ANY AA in department ever because he doesn't want to be known for hiring members of the frat or AA in general no matter how qualified or how good their character may be....... that is messed up!

BROTHERSKEEPER · #13 07-06-2007, 03:38 PM

I spoke the the executive/frat last night in regards to the interview. I was advised that I was obviously very competitive for the position. However, his hands were tied by his boss who basically instructed him to hire the individual who was hired based on ties with the indiviual's father in the department. I've moved on to plan B, but I would have appreciated this information prior to the interview. I would not have wasted my time and their time. The truth hurts.

This ship has sailed. I'm on to my next career move.

Professor · #14 07-06-2007, 03:54 PM

Frat,

Welcome to the real world. It has taken me several years to develop "thick skin." People that you consider your friend will turn on you to make themselves look good. I left a position where I worked for more than twelve years only to learn the director is now running me down at every turn. Prior to my leaving, we ate lunch, hung out on the weekends, visited each others home, etc. We had each others back so I thought. To this day I have no understanding why she has started a personal attack. I have taken pictures down in my current office of my old staff, put away awards received as a result of the job and have nothing to do with my old office. To that end, accept that the position you wanted may not have been what God wanted you to have. Keep moving forward and let no man destroy your self fulfillment.
"What God has for you . . . It is for you."

Quote:

Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

I spoke the the executive/frat last night in regards to the interview. I was advised that I was obviously very competitive for the position. However, his hands were tied by his boss who basically instructed him to hire the individual who was hired based on ties with the indiviual's father in the department. I've moved on to plan B, but I would have appreciated this information prior to the interview. I would not have wasted my time and their time. The truth hurts.

This ship has sailed. I'm on to my next career move.

mccoyred · #15 07-07-2007, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BROTHERSKEEPER

I spoke the the executive/frat last night in regards to the interview. I was advised that I was obviously very competitive for the position. However, his hands were tied by his boss who basically instructed him to hire the individual who was hired based on ties with the indiviual's father in the department. I've moved on to plan B, but I would have appreciated this information prior to the interview. I would not have wasted my time and their time. The truth hurts.

This ship has sailed. I'm on to my next career move.

I should have read to the end of the thread before posting!

Please know that this happens much more often than you can imagine. ALWAYS have a Plan B from the beginning.

BTW, ethically and probably legally speaking, he could NOT have given that info to you prior to the interview.