Vegans kill baby

James · #1 05-04-2007, 03:09 PM

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=185948

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Vegan parents guilty in infant murder 6-week-old died of starvation after being fed diet of soy milk, apple juice

Some people think the sentence is too harsh, what do you think?

33girl · #2 05-04-2007, 03:12 PM

The title should actually be "dumbasses kill baby." It has nothing to do with their being vegan. Many babies drink soy-based formula and are fine.

I'm guessing she didn't/couldn't breast feed. This reminded me of a Law & Order episode.

James · #3 05-04-2007, 03:13 PM

Did they get off in the episode?

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Originally Posted by 33girl

The title should actually be "dumbasses kill baby." It has nothing to do with their being vegan. Many babies drink soy-based formula and are fine.

I'm guessing she didn't/couldn't breast feed. This reminded me of a Law & Order episode.

#4 05-04-2007, 03:16 PM

In addition to whatever punishment they receive, the parents should be forced to eat hamburgers and steaks for the rest of their lives.

AlphaFrog · #5 05-04-2007, 03:18 PM

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In addition to whatever punishment they receive, the parents should be forced to eat hamburgers and steaks for the rest of their lives.

I doubt many prisons serve vegan meals - and being vegan is not a "right", so I doubt they could get an exception.

greeklawgirl · #6 05-04-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I doubt many prisons serve vegan meals - and being vegan is not a "right", so I doubt they could get an exception.

You would be surprised what types of meals are served in prison. I'm sure they'll be able to get vegan meals.

Please don't ask me how I know this.

33girl · #7 05-04-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Did they get off in the episode?

I can't remember but I don't think they did. It was a little different. The girl didn't feed their baby formula because the breast-feeding consultant had warned her of "nipple confusion." Basically they could have called it "the La Leche League is evil." It wasn't very well balanced and I have a hard time believing anyone, no matter how big a breastfeeding advocate they are, would have let someone they were counseling get to that point.

Oh, and you'd think that no mom would be that stupid and unable to stand up for herself as the one in the episode was, but apparently I'm wrong.

KSigkid · #8 05-04-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by James

Did they get off in the episode?

Bro, this is off topic, but since when have you been "Super Moderator?" Am I slow in noticing that?

James · #9 05-04-2007, 04:51 PM

I think around a week. You are not slow at all

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Bro, this is off topic, but since when have you been "Super Moderator?" Am I slow in noticing that?

#10 05-04-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Bro, this is off topic, but since when have you been "Super Moderator?" Am I slow in noticing that?

PenguinTrax is one too.

Are there any others or is it just James and PT?

ISUKappa · #11 05-04-2007, 06:30 PM

It is possible the mother was not consuming enough calories (esp. good fat and proteins) in her vegan diet to produce an adequate supply of breastmilk. Even some soy formulas have animal product ingredients, so if they were extremely strict vegans, that might not have been an option in their mind.

Still, you would hope even moderately intelligent parents would be able to tell their baby was starving.

That poor baby.

AlphaFrog · #12 05-04-2007, 03:17 PM

The didn't realize that their 3 1/2 POUND, six week old baby was in trouble until minutes before he died?? Bull.

What I don't get is why they didn't use SOY formula instead of soymilk. It's still vegan, and even if it's not a)so what, it's a baby, it doesn't have a choice and b) even if it's not mainstream I'm pretty sure you could find some vegan infant formula SOMEWHERE. (A 3 second google search brought me to several sites.) Or better yet, since they're into everything natural, why not breastfeed?

I think they deserve what they got.

Oh, and they should be shot for naming their baby "Crown" anyway - and this coming from an ASA.

33girl · #13 05-04-2007, 03:22 PM

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Oh, and they should be shot for naming their baby "Crown" anyway - and this coming from an ASA.

Yipes! I missed that part. At least their last name wasn't Royal.

PenguinTrax · #14 05-04-2007, 03:52 PM

Not harsh at all - I'm sure even a home birth would be attended by a midwife who should have checked up on both mother and baby the first week to insure that the nursing relationship was moving along as it should And I agree, there are soy formulas of artificial baby milk out there and most vegans I know would definitely nurse a baby before feeding it artificial baby milk.

Refer to: http://www.andrews.edu/NUFS/Vegan%20Children.html

susan314 · #15 05-07-2007, 02:11 PM

How incredibly sad.

Anyone who has done even a miniscule amount of research on newborn nutrition knows that they require a very special diet (preferably breast milk, but even formula gives the basics), and that newborns certainly should not be given juice of any sort. It takes up too much space in their tiny bellies without giving them any real nutritional value in return.

Even vegan websites advise families to use breast milk whenever possible or soy formula when not. (I'm guessing that most reasonable vegans realize that a tiny bit of compromise is necessary to keep their child alive.) See the following articles from a quick Google search:

http://www.vegfamily.com/melanie-wilson/tip3.htm

http://www.vegfamily.com/dietician/0604b.htm

From this vegan site: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/pregnancy.htm

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Soy Formula
There are several soy-based formulas available. Vegan families should choose these if breastfeeding is not an option. Some soy-based formulas may contain animal–derived fats, so check the ingredient label. Unfortunately, at the time of this writing, in the US the food industry does not offer ANY soy-based formulas that do not include vitamin D derived from lanolin, which comes from sheep's wool. There are no other acceptable options for formula-fed vegan infants. Only consumer outcry is likely to change this situation.
It is important to note that soymilk, rice milk, and homemade formulas should not be used to replace breast milk or commercial infant formula during the first year. These foods do not contain the right amounts of nutrients for babies.

Article about a baby from Queens - who luckily survived her malnourishment, but her parents were convicted of first degree assault:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...57C0A9659C8B63

If the parents in this recent case had done even a miniscule amount of research, they could have easily realized that what they were doing was endangering their child. I have no problem at all with the murder conviction - if your child loses that much weight, you should seek medical care, and to do anything less is shameful. A 3 1/2 pound 6 week old infant (unless he/she was born weighing even less than that) is simply not normal - any idiot should realize that.