legacy?

[ZTAngel]

My roommate and I have been wondering this for a while. She was fully initiated into ZTA last year but right before her Sophomore year, she ran into financial problems and had to drop. If many years from now, she had had a daughter and her daughter decided to rush, would her daughter still be considered a legacy? Or, do you have to be in a sorority until you graduate in order for your daughter to be considered a legacy?

[AKA2D '91]

If your friend really IS a member, wouldn't she have learned that information during her process? So, wouldn't she have or know that information?

Just curious?

[USFSDTAlum]

AKA2D-- thats something we didn't learn either while pledging. While we were fully learned in our history, we didn't review the bylaws of our arganization as far as what do to do uncommon situations.
ZTAngel....your local advisor should know what to do as well.

[ZTAngel]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
If your friend really IS a member, wouldn't she have learned that information during her process? So, wouldn't she have or know that information?

Just curious?

They don't exactly go over what will happen to your status if you decide to drop. While you're pledging, the idea is to teach us about being a member and NOT about what will happen if we decide not to stay a member. Also, I know that she really IS a member because we got initiated together.

[DeltAlum]

A couple of thoughts/answers:

I'll bet that the rules differ somewhat from organization to organization, but I suspect that since she was initiated, her daughter would be considered a legacy.

Second, I ran across a question a while ago from a woman who wondered if her son would be considered a Delt legacy if her father (the son's grandfather) is a Delt, but not her husband (the son's father). The answer is yes -- at least in the view of Delta Tau Delta.

DeltAlum

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by ZTAngel:
My roommate and I have been wondering this for a while. She was fully initiated into ZTA last year but right before her Sophomore year, she ran into financial problems and had to drop. If many years from now, she had had a daughter and her daughter decided to rush, would her daughter still be considered a legacy? Or, do you have to be in a sorority until you graduate in order for your daughter to be considered a legacy?

Your roommate is a fully initiated member and if she is no longer involved on the collegiate level, she should contact IO about getting her alumnae status activated.

Any daughters your friend would have would be considered legacies.



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[SoCalGirl]

Definitely follow PnguinTrax's advice.

I know for my own sorority it would depend on what her chapter and National's consider her status to be.

For instance, my chapter's policy is that if a member leaves the sorority before completing one fully initiated year as an active member, she'd be EXPELLED from the sorority. So then no, the daughter wouldn't be a legacy. But not every chapter has this policy.

If the woman completes a year, and then leaves on good standing; the daughter may be considered a legacy.

It's all so confusing, especially since we have four different ways to be considered an alumna!

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by ZTAngel:
If many years from now, she had had a daughter and her daughter decided to rush, would her daughter still be considered a legacy? Or, do you have to be in a sorority until you graduate in order for your daughter to be considered a legacy?

Okay, this is the question you asked. In your process or even AFTER you all were initiated, did you all LEARN this? Do you have any by-laws which your organization is governed by? If so, can't you find your info there and not on the internet?

USF- that's what I was trying to get at...

[This message has been edited by AKA2D '91 (edited December 10, 2000).]

[33girl]

AKA2D '91 -

For cryin' out loud, drop the 'tude!!

First you accuse someone of being a perp - then you intimate that she didn't fully learn the laws of her organization.

As ZTAngel said, the main focus on pledging is learning how to be a good active member. They can't fit every single weird circumstance that might come up in a lifetime of sorority membership into 6 weeks.

As far as bylaws, I know the ones for my organization are in a 30 page booklet. There's no way you could know the whole thing by heart. I'm not sure if each member receives her own copy of the bylaws, but even if they do, there's often a time lag problem. I remember it took us a whole year to get our membership certificates.

It was just a simple question.

[ZTAngel]

Thank-you 33girl!

[KatieQ]

33girl- I totally agree with you.
AKA2D- The purpose of the GreekChat Forums is to ask those questions which we don't know the answer to. I was actually curious what the answer to that question was because I'm involved in a similar situation. Your response was totally uncalled for.
ZTAngel- You had a good question and I'm sorry that someone, for unknown reasons, had to make you feel otherwise.

[This message has been edited by KatieQ (edited December 11, 2000).]

[AKA2D '91]

Drop the 2D? NEVER! I CAME OUT THE WOMB LIKE THIS!
Response totally uncalled for? I THINK NOT!

You all have your way of answering questions, I have my way of answering mine.

I did not say someone WAS a perp! Don't put words into my mouth! I said, if the person was TRULY a member of the org, then she should have known that information.

That just goes back to the differences among OUR organizations. Some STRESS one thing OR ANOTHER, while OTHERS STRESS, you know... whatever...

AS I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, I CAN AND WILL RESPOND TO ANYTHING I WANT! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH COOKIES!

DUH! I KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM IS. IF YOU SAY YOU ARE IN AN ORGANIZATION AND YOU DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT! NOW, IF YOU ARE AN INTEREST, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER BALL GAME!
AS AN INDIVIDUAL, I CAN EXPRESS MY OPINION! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE...FRANKLY, I DON'T CARE!

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENCES IN GLO. WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND WHAT IS NOT!

IT IS UNCALLED FOR ANY OF YOU TO TELL ME WHAT IS OR IS NOT CALLED FOR! YOU JUST WATCH YOUR WORDS AND NOT MINE! OKAY!

OKAY!

NOW, HAVE A GOOD EVENING!

***picking up my 2D*** LOL

[mccoyred]

Folks, I have to agree w/ Ms AKA2D on this one.

A general GREEK message board is not the place to ask about these aspects of YOUR OWN GLO. Does your org have its own forum? Better yet how about contacting your chapter or national hq or even consulting your own initiation materials?

Earlier this year, someone questioned some type of membership category IN THEIR OWN GLO. This is basic information that every intitiate should know.

If you don't know basic information about your GLO when initiated, take the initiative and find out. Somebody initiated you so if you don't know the answer, someone in your chapter should! For those *obscure* situations, an advisor, regional or national official should be consulted.

So, I don't feel her response way out of line. In fact, I was thinking the same thing!

Originally posted by AKA2D '91:
I said, if the person was TRULY a member of the org, then she should have known that information.

and

That just goes back to the differences among OUR organizations. Some STRESS one thing OR ANOTHER, while OTHERS STRESS, you know... whatever...

and

DUH! I KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM IS. IF YOU SAY YOU ARE IN AN ORGANIZATION AND YOU DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT! NOW, IF YOU ARE AN INTEREST, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER BALL GAME!

and

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT JUST SHOWS THE DIFFERENCES IN GLO. WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND WHAT IS NOT!
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[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by ZTAngel:
My roommate and I have been wondering this for a while. She was fully initiated into ZTA last year but right before her Sophomore year, she ran into financial problems and had to drop.

ZTAngel, if she was fully initiated into ZTA (which according to your post, she was), then her daughters and grand-daughters will be legacies. After all, if she was fully initiated, then she is a ZTA for life, right?

However, I have reason to believe that in order for her to provide a written recommendation for a legacy (or any potential member who is not a legacy), I believe that an alumna member must be deemed to be an alumna member in good standing with the sorority. This would mean that financially speaking, her alum dues are all paid up, etc. (I would say most NPC sororities would be like this...but I could be wrong).

For something like this, definitely go with Pngtrax...not only is she a ZTA also, but she definitely knows her NPC 'lore'.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by SoCalGirl:
It's all so confusing, especially since we have four different ways to be considered an alumna!

To SoCalGirl, what the 4 different ways that women in your NPC sorority can be considered alumna status? Are they:
1. If you've graduated from college
2. If you leave school during your undergrad degree
3. If you marry during your undergrad degree
4. ______

I am stumped for the 4th reason! Please let me know. Thank you.