Does GC have a disproportionately large number of PNM's who don't get bids?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

It seems as though a lot of GC PNM's don't get bids, like at least 10%. That is obviously a larger percent than the general population of PNM's going through FR. Why do you suppose this is?

The only theory I have is that PNM's coming to GC for advice perhaps don't have the local connections to help them through it.

[DubaiSis]

Many people are more comfortable in an on-line community and are great communicators through the written word, but lack some of the face to face social skills required for a successful real life recruitment. Maybe the women who come here are like that?

Maybe our advice should be make sure you're getting out and talking to strangers to prepare for recruitment. But how could you say that in a way that doesn't promote creepy behavior?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Many people are more comfortable in an on-line community and are great communicators through the written word, but lack some of the face to face social skills required for a successful real life recruitment. Maybe the women who come here are like that?

Maybe our advice should be make sure you're getting out and talking to strangers to prepare for recruitment. But how could you say that in a way that doesn't promote creepy behavior?

Hmmm...maybe it could be couched more like the way someone would prep for a job interview. Have a couple of questions that you can ask, or a few unique facts about yourself that you might bring up in conversation.

[agzg]

Are you counting the PNMs that lurk and never post?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by agzg

Are you counting the PNMs that lurk and never post?

Yes, because she has a way to quantify those people into her estimate.

SRSLY?

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes, because she has a way to quantify those people into her estimate.

SRSLY?

Agreed.

Bad science... as I trudge off to the research lab...trudge trudge trudge. Research grunt, but it pays.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes, because she has a way to quantify those people into her estimate.

SRSLY?

My point was that there are many many more PNMs and interested persons (mothers, fathers, brothers, friends) who look at GC and read the threads than those that actually post their stories/ask stupid questions/ask smart questions/shave your uncle's hairy back.

(And many that post a question, either get snippy or run off and never end up telling us how their recruitment went OR Sign up for a username, post in the intro thread, then never tell us about what happened during their recruitment).

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by agzg

My point was that there are many many more PNMs and interested persons (mothers, fathers, brothers, friends) who look at GC and read the threads than those that actually post their stories/ask stupid questions/ask smart questions/shave your uncle's hairy back.

(And many that post a question, either get snippy or run off and never end up telling us how their recruitment went OR Sign up for a username, post in the intro thread, then never tell us about what happened during their recruitment).

Life lesson #1 you learn as a parent: Never ask a question when you mean something as a statement.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Life lesson #1 you learn as a parent: Never ask a question when you mean something as a statement.

It was meant to be sarcastic. Sarcasm fail.

Re-try:

This must not include the number of inquiries we recieve (and or pageviews on the various recruitment related threads) where we never know how that poster's/lurkers recruitment turned out.

Point being - I do not believe that GC has a disproportionately larger number of PNMs that do not have bids matched. The numbers we get here are not statistically significant and do not reflect all campuses (indeed, many of the campuses we talk about are those who have a high number - not percentage but number - of women who are cut).

[KSUViolet06]

I have made this observation before.

I find this to be particularly true with the more competitive schools.

My theory is that the PNMs who come here for advice on some of the big rush schools are at a disadvantage because they're not going to be as well prepared as some of the other girls who don't NEED the internet to help prep for recruitment (who maybe have friends/family/etc who have rushed at those schools).

Ex: if you're coming here asking "do I need recs? where do I get them from? what do I wear?" in like mid-June, you're not going to be as prepared as Suzy who has friends who have rushed at the same school, plenty of rec connections, etc. and doesn't have to ask those questions. And you probably are less likely to get a bid.

Does that make sense?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I have made this observation before.

I find this to be particularly true with the more competitive schools.

My theory is that the PNMs who come here for advice on some of the big rush schools are at a disadvantage because they're not going to be as well prepared as some of the other girls who don't NEED the internet to help prep for recruitment (who maybe have friends/family/etc who have rushed at those schools).

Ex: if you're coming here asking "do I need recs? where do I get them from? what do I wear?" in like mid-June, you're not going to be as prepared as Suzy who has friends who have rushed at the same school, plenty of rec connections, etc. and doesn't have to ask those questions. And you probably are less likely to get a bid.

Does that make sense?

This makes a LOT of sense. We get a lot of PNMs who are asking questions because they're the first in their family to go Greek, the first to rush NPC, the first to rush at an SEC school, whatever. We're far more likely to get the ones who are out of their element, because they're the ones googling about sororities. So we get

I suspect we get most of our actives and alumni because someone was searching for some answer to a question about GLOs as well.

[AnchorAlumna]

10% is quite a low percentage...but I'm from the SEC school of recruitment.
I think we just get a higher percentage of people asking "what happened" and searching for an answer. The ones who pledged don't have time to hang out here.
But statistically, the percentage of all PNMs posting here, pledigng or not, would be infantisimal...infintisimal...er, really really low.

[VandalSquirrel]

We also need to include the parents who come here and talk about their children. If we were going to only look at PNMs who post and report back in full their results, it may be different. I'm also hypothesizing that there may be people who make a thread, even write a full story, then realize they may not want to be outed and so are here with more than one username, and I don't really have a problem with that.

ETA: I can think of one instance a woman had a successful recruitment, posted her story, and her sisters did see her thread and they weren't too happy with what she wrote, though I can't remember if it was about their chapter, another chapter, or both. One rare situation, but it might not be bad to just post after the fact without some if you give enough identifying information or your school is very small.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I have made this observation before.

I find this to be particularly true with the more competitive schools.

My theory is that the PNMs who come here for advice on some of the big rush schools are at a disadvantage because they're not going to be as well prepared as some of the other girls who don't NEED the internet to help prep for recruitment (who maybe have friends/family/etc who have rushed at those schools).

Ex: if you're coming here asking "do I need recs? where do I get them from? what do I wear?" in like mid-June, you're not going to be as prepared as Suzy who has friends who have rushed at the same school, plenty of rec connections, etc. and doesn't have to ask those questions. And you probably are less likely to get a bid.

Does that make sense?

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[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I have made this observation before.

I find this to be particularly true with the more competitive schools.

My theory is that the PNMs who come here for advice on some of the big rush schools are at a disadvantage because they're not going to be as well prepared as some of the other girls who don't NEED the internet to help prep for recruitment (who maybe have friends/family/etc who have rushed at those schools).

Ex: if you're coming here asking "do I need recs? where do I get them from? what do I wear?" in like mid-June, you're not going to be as prepared as Suzy who has friends who have rushed at the same school, plenty of rec connections, etc. and doesn't have to ask those questions. And you probably are less likely to get a bid.

Does that make sense?

This. PNMs who have family and social circle histories of being Greek don't need to go looking for advice on the intarwebz. If you know Greeks and/or are familiar with the school, you already have the resources.

I also think we do get a larger than usual proportion of PNMs who are simply awkward disasters and wouldn't do well in most highly social situations.