[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by dnall

Look... for anyone that clicked on a recent post and failed to see it was in a forum labeled ATO, then mistakenly made the assumption I was talking about them or their organization, I apologize. I meant no disrespect.

Translated: For anyone who was stupid enough to think that when I said,

Originally Posted by dnall

I don't know how many "pacific" chapters you've visited of any fraternity, but they are just not the same. Greek life in a lot of places in those regions is not strong . . . .

Originally Posted by dnall

Greek life in the west sucks.

I was actually talking about Greek life in the west and any fraternities instead of ATO only, I'm sorry you failed to understand.

You're digging your hole deeper with your non-apology, and making a much bigger deal of what could have been handled with a simple "oops."

When posting in a forum labeled ATO, my natural assumption would be that's an area for conversations either between ATOs or about ATO as an organization. I can't imagine what would lead to any other conclusion.

Your natural assumption would be incorrect, and the reality of the dynamics of this board would lead to a different conclusion. Many if not most regular GCers access the boards through the "New Posts" page. They scroll down and look at the threads, clicking on those that interest them, often paying little if any attention to which forum the thread is in. May sound crazy, but that's the reality here.

It's insulting to all of us that I should have to be so politically correct that I cannot express a basis for my opinions without people taking it personally. We're adults here. Hopefully with some professionalism. We can endure criticism without being offended. You don't have to agree, but if you think I shouldn't be able to have the conversation then you're in the wrong country.

This is you not getting it. At all. It's not a matter of people taking your opinions personally. Your opinion is your opinion, and that's fine by me. And it's certainly not a matter of expecting political correctness. And it's certainly not about freedom of speech. Nobody is asking you to sit there and listen to us badmouth the United States of America, Otter.

Originally Posted by dnall

I understand what you're saying - if I say west coast greek systems suck then I'm implying your chapters (and mine) in those states suck.

I get that if you read what I wrote out of context that you can interpret it that way. The key contextual difference is that it's posted in an ATO area.

And we, who have been around GC a lot longer than you have, are trying to tell you that that "key contextual difference" isn't nearly as key as you seem to think. I can understand why you would think it is, but in reality, it's just not.