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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel
sigmadiva -
I see where you are trying to go with this and I wish I could find a good example. 1. I don't think sexual assault is the best one here, and I wish we could all find a better one that represents what you're getting at. I don't think you're blaming rape victims, or all victims, 2.but being accountable for actions is a fine line. No one ever deserves to be assaulted, even if they exhibit behavior that puts them in a situation where they are a victim. We all make choices and 3. sometimes our choice is a factor in a situation, but it isn't our fault. Anyone who assaults another made the choice to behave that way as well, and they chose to be a perpetrator and assault someone. I read Adam Smith's own words, and he said he was drunk and I'll paraphrase looking for a fight/drama. Even if it wasn't wizard hat it would have been someone else, and I think if the someone else who could have been assaulted 4. was not gay we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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1. I agree. If you go back to page 4, post #47, Kevin compared the OT of this thread to a woman getting raped. That is where it got off track on the whole rape issue.
2. I agree here too. My point being, in any circumstance, one can minimize their outcome by being aware and taking precautions. While in many cases you could be a victim, but by being as diligent as possible, you don't *have* to be a victim.
3. Yes and no. I think that if you always feel that no matter what happens to you is never your fault, (good or bad), then I think you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment. For the sometimes - sometimes you can take responsibility for your actions, sometimes you can't, you just have to be able to know and recognize when.
I knew this girl in grad school who never made much progress because whenever her project hit a snag, it was never her fault. She would *always* blame someone else for her problem. Example, her reports were never in on time, not her fault because 1. her garage door was not working that day, so she could not get her car out of the garage, or 2. when she tried to go to the computer lab to print her work, she had trouble getting access to her account, or 3. she could not come to class because she had a family emergency that just so happened to happen on the same weekend our school had a big football game.
All plausible circumstances, but by the middle of the semester, there was a definite pattern.
4. I think we came to this conclusion on page 3.