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Originally Posted by starang21

really?

Yes. Really.

people will villanize what they want to villanize. and people are entitled to villanize who and what they want. whatever they're passionate about. and just because (by your definition of dehumanization), them villanizing people is dehumanizing them, doesn't mean that it's they (by their definition of dehumanizing) think they're dehumanizing them. your definition of dehumanizing is likely different from my definition of dehumanizing.

It's not about that. You don't understand. And frankly I don't understand your sentence.

so the us doesn't want unskilled labor. it wants people with talent. ok, so?

We need the unskilled labor, it's getting hired here all the time, and exploited. We're working against our own best interest.

i understand why they're here illegally. does that mean i think the immigration process is flawed? no.

The problems with the process exist whether you think they do or not.

is it the process's fault that illegal immigrants choose to bypass it? no.

No one is saying it's OK to break the law. But if it's broken, better to fix it.

i also understand the process which one undertakes to become an immigrant. does that mean i think there's something wrong with the process? no.

The problems with the process exist whether you think they do or not.

me thinking there's nothing wrong with the process doesn't mean i don't understand the process.

You're entitled to your opinion, if there's nothing wrong with the immigration process then lets not change a thing and keep having illegal immigrants in the numbers that we have.

Originally Posted by Kevin

This assumes that these "properly implemented and accounted for immigration process[es]" are able to experience any greater degree of success at solving whatever problems exist in the immigrant community that they set out to fix. From my vantage point [yes, anecdotally], government solutions to community problems are not typically successful. For every successful program, e.g., Rural Electrification, we have boondoggles like NCLB.

This isn't getting the government to solve community problems, but to solve it's own immigration laws and processes. Removing government influence doesn't make sense here.

Your proposal is to essentially solve the problem with newer/better bureaucrats. Wouldn't money be more effectively spent at actually eliminating the problem of illegal immigration altogether (border enforcement), and THEN focusing on meeting our country's need for immigrant labor rather than focusing on meeting the immigrant labor's need for our country?

You have to do it all at once or it will not work. The border is too big, and we USE immigrant labor. All of those jobs that hire illegal immigrants aren't going to go away, and as long as farms aren't required to pay minimum wage, Americans aren't signing up in droves either.

Isn't the first step to climbing out of a hole you've dug yourself into to stop digging?

Not if the dirt's going to fall down on top of you if you just stop without taking other action.