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Originally Posted by gamma_girl52
The whole thread is out of control. 
GrandAce#1, let me address you first by saying this. It may not be that the National Fraternity is trying to "get rid" of chapters but purely as an outside person looking in, IT DOES. When you have to literally put out a change of bylaws (a mandate) saying, "Either you get some females in the chapter or your charter is revoked", does that not look like "forcing" a chapter to adapt to something that might not work for them on that campus? You should go click on the link that was provided in the thread earlier. Initially, this only applied to TRANSFER students. Then it was expanded to include ALL students. All this for maybe about 4% of your chapters, and the members represent maybe about 2%? It just seems a bit much for me. Are these said chapters literally putting a "Alpha Phi Omega, NO GIRLS ALLOWED" sign up on their campus? Or did the National organization TRULY make an effort to understand why this was happening on that respective campus? It might be so on that campus where the women KNOW not to pledge an organization with "Fraternity" in the name. Also, what if this chapter did everything they could to promote this mandate and they STILL don't get any women? Should their charter be revoked then?
As far as your other statements, sister, you are preaching to the choir and we've already discussed just how much APO and GSS care about each other, which is little. However, let's not ignore the fact that there is a bond out there between APO and GSS. Now if you really want me to go there, let's not talk about how I see male AND female members of your fraternity trying to "be down" with the same culture that may have caused this mandate (i.e. calling each other "bruh" or using the call "Skeet", etc. which I only USED to see at an all-male chapter). So obviously there is something appealing about that culture to some of the members, particularly with black males that may have pledged at a co-ed chapter; so I also have to raise an eybrow when you say, "APO doesn't have to care". Are you sure?
It's not just with the fraternity. I see members of Gamma Sig doing the SAME THING. I don't want you to think that I know everything about your organization; I don't. But let's be real and recognize the changes that are occuring in both our organizations.
Soror Empress if you ever jump back in, I was able to speak to another soror and I understand your point much better now.
So I think the bottom line is this: Alpha Phi Omega is doing their thing obviously. You all wouldn't be the largest fraternity in the world if you weren't. But Gamma Sigma Sigma, we are coming into our own, we stand on our own as well. Neither needs the other, but there is a connection that you can choose to support or not. |
I agree, it sucks they literally had to write that information out specifically. And I also agree that if a chapter cannot convince any females to join their chapter should not be revoked. I have no issues with all male chapters that show respect to all bruhs. Not at all. And "bruh" actually is in used in any fraternity to address members, including co-ed one's. It's not exclusive to all male APO org's. I've known numerous co-ed org's to use the term since everyone is a "brother". I say bruh for short sometimes.
I'm not disagreeing with how it looks. Hell, I even was shocked they actually wrote the mandate in that manner. The point I sought to make was "what it was" so that those who only knew what it looked like could also know what it was. That's it. For the choir members, I was not trying to preach to you at all. Forgive me if you felt you were being "beat over the head with the bible", lol. My bad.
Did the organization truly make effort? Not sure. In my opinion more could've been done. But at the same time I do see why they played the hand they did. It's hard to keep trying to be open and understanding about something when the people who are in it don't want to be completely honest with the organization about the issues at hand. Only time will tell if this mandate was a good idea or not. Even though some of these school don't put up signs that say "no girls allowed", unfortunately some do say that to females trying to join, literally. That's moreso the issues the Frat has with the all male chapters...its based in respect for the brotherhood and organizational standards.
Ditto about the call thing...I'm not even gonna go there. People do as they so choose, even if it makes them look foolish. "APO doesn't have to care" was in reference to the national level choosing to do or not to do something based on the way it will affect GSS, and that in turn was directed at a particular comment, not your organization.
BTW...I'm not saying members of APO and GSS don't care about one another...just not on the national level. I care a lot about GSS members and I have much respect for the organization...SHOUT OUT TO THE CHARTERING OF HOWARD'S CHAPTER...THEY'RE OFFICIAL
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